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Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by pimeys »

listic wrote: post #84
trotsky wrote: post #58

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…

How do I switch from Unity to Gnome Shell in Ubuntu? (12.04)

sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by lambda »

gman99 wrote: post #36
meaty wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I do use Firefox and that's a rather silly assertion if you consider the technical implementation. In the case of Firefox, a default search page for Google is included in the Firefox Chrome as is a default search engine. The default page doesn't call home at all until you enter a search i.e. until you use it. The rest of the browser is functional without using this feature, so you can type "duckduckgo.com" withou…

Firefox: Nothing transmitted to Google until you perform a search. Unity: Nothing transmitted to Amazon until you perform a search Sure, I'm not agreeing with the default out of the box functionality, but other than the fact that user expectation is that a local search does not transmit information to remote servers (same issue as chrome's omnibox for typing URLs) it is exactly the same. But maybe Canonical should ma…

But in the case of Firefox, you are explicitly trying to do a web search. While in Unity, you are just running your local app launcher.

Confusing a private local search for your own files with an online search that sends information to a third party is is a fairly substantial privacy issue, and the fact that Canonical is just blowing it off (by saying "we already have root") is incredibly concerning about their judgement.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by pimeys »

I've been using 12.10 for several weeks now. The only difference I notice is the new kernel, otherwise my xmonad desktop looks just the same as in 12.04.

Although the installation was a bliss. The fastest OS installation I've ever done. Even the boot time is pretty fast, around 6 seconds with my workstation.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by trotsky »

pimeys wrote: post #91
listic wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do I switch from Unity to Gnome Shell in Ubuntu? (12.04)

sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop

be aware that this isn't a great user experience - a number of ubuntu specific features will work poorly or not at all while you're logged in under gnome shell, and several gnome 3 desktop integration features also won't be working. It's mostly fixable, but very much a trial and error experience.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by sandGorgon »

listic wrote: post #84
trotsky wrote: post #58

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…

How do I switch from Unity to Gnome Shell in Ubuntu? (12.04)

Make sure you also check out Gnome Shell's killer feature : extensions.gnome.org

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by tbrock »

sandGorgon wrote: post #96
listic wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do I switch from Unity to Gnome Shell in Ubuntu? (12.04)

Make sure you also check out Gnome Shell's killer feature : extensions.gnome.org

I wish there were an amazing guide for building these shell extensions somewhere. I tried to look for some and couldn't find any that really got into the details.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by DASD »

trotsky wrote: post #72
zanny wrote: post #65

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I tried Gnome Shell again 2 days ago with the 3.6 release. You can't configure it without an absurd number of extensions, the default interface makes me want to punch kittens, and it wiped my groups policy and network profiles so I am still trying to repair my startup procedure, and right now I need to manually start network-manager each time. I won't blame that necessarily on Gnome Shell though. I will say I don't c…

This isn't meant to be a retort - I agree that there is a lot of mess in deb-ubu/gnome 3. But if you have the time, try fedora on bare hardware to get an idea of how gnome is supposed to work. You probably won't want to stick with it for a variety of legitimate reasons, but the core ui feel is very, very nice - and that's what I wish I could get under ubuntu.

I've used Gnome Shell on the last two releases of Fedora. I've grown to be comfortable with it but the idea of having to rely on multiple(9 in my case) extensions to get to that state is too much. Couple that with having to worry if extensions will be updated to work with each new release of Gnome. I had been interested in Cinnamon but was under the impression it was the distinguishing feature of Linux Mint. Cinnamon is now available for several distributions including Fedora(yum install cinnamon). For me, Cinnamon is what Gnome Shell should have been and I have no problem recommending it.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by rcthompson »

autotravis wrote: post #69
trotsky wrote: post #58

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…

I noticed the lag with pressing the super key in unity, as well. Then I found out that Super+a is apps, Super+m is music, etc and that anyone of those is usually faster in coming up than a pure Super (for the default lens or whatever). I'm wondering if it's "waiting" just a bit for that +[a,m,etc]...

That can't be it. That would only require waiting until you release the Super key. Instead Unity waits about half a second after releasing the super key before the dash appears.
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