It’s just really, really hard to get someone to pay you money. This AI boom has made earning money optional for some companies, but for the long tail of AI-adjacent companies you need revenue. Convincing someone to pay you is just simply so so hard. No one really gets it until they have to actually make revenue. It’s sooooo hardddd
Raising money fucked me up
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#92> It's much more comfortable to be the person that "could be X" than to be the person that tries to actually do it. Brilliant insight. Reminds of me this, from Theodore Roosevelt's Citizenship in a Republic: > It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose…
It’s much more impressive to say you have done something than to say you’re going to do it.
A friend of mine has all these failed hobbies he tells everyone he’s going to do, then gives up on. I wait a few months before telling people I’m doing something so I’m fairly confident it’s something I will carry on.
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#93Raising money has been marketed as success by VCs and they have done a great job of it. Remember, that in reality, raising money is sign that your business is not doing well.. not the other way around.
Furthermore, a lot of people hope that raising money will help them get distribution and customers' trust. Thats NOT true. We raised a decent amount of money from YC and other VCs, and despite that, the thing that helped us most for distribution was content SEO and posting on reddit + no customer ever told us that they were using our product cause we raised $X from these VCs..
People also expect that well known VCs will help you magically solve issues in your company. That's not true either.. VCs may seem very smart, but when it comes to the details of solving issues about your company, they literally can't help, cause they don't know as much as you do about your business.
Another reason people want to raise money is cause they can't afford to quit their jobs and rely on their startups. In this case, well, do not quit your job.. work on your startup as side project until it's already generating 1.5-2x your annual salary, in a stable way. Remember this way, you dont have a deadline for your startup based on your runway, which is GREAT not only from your startup's survival point of view, but also from a mental health point of view.
I would also like to talk about hiring. A lot of people just assume that raising money is needed cause that way they can hire people and grow faster. This is again, not true.. usually, hiring people means you are actually going to slow things down unless you know EXACTLY what you want to hire for, which is rare for a startup. Even if you find a great person for the job, they will take at least a few months to be full productive, and if your startup is not growing like crazy (which is true for most startups), the person will likely leave (cause they are good and will find a better company) = wasted time.
I would like to say that money you raise for your company is NOT your personal money. You can't just spend it on buying stuff for yourself. In fact, even taking a decent salary from that money is looked down upon, unless your startup is doing really well already.
Finally, VCs play a numbers game. They invest in 100s of companies hoping one of them will give out a massive return and cover the losses for everyone else + make a huge profit. You are, statistically, in the ones that won't make it, and you will be written off.. at this point, you will have an entity, owing a large part of your company who literally doesn't care about you.
All of the being said, here are the reasons of why you SHOULD raise money: - Your business model only works at scale. - Your initial investment costs are very high: This is usually never true for software companies. - You are trying to impress your partner and / or friends in the short term and give them the illusion that you are successful already (lol).
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#94This may sound weird but this was a very interesting read for me as a father of 2 small kids. A somewhat common (yet often not followed (because it's hard)) piece of parenting advice is to not praise kids too much. Especially character judgements like "you're so smart" or "you're so creative". Reason being it makes them do things that seem smart or seem creative just to get the praise. Then it comes crashing down whe…
> It kind of looks like this is happening to the author. He became a founder, and started doing things that seem like what a founder would do, then got hit hard when he was unable to fulfill the "founder" role (i.e. didn't grow fast enough). This happens a lot in the startup world: It’s really common for someone to be among the top in their classes from a young age, be praised by all their family members and friends,…
My personal experiences taught me that things generally do no play out as one imagines neither for "startup" nor for "full-time job". There are advantages and disadvantages for each, best is to try (a bit) both and decide for yourself. Of course I get that for some this is not possible, just saying what I think it would be the ideal.
I think some discontent with one's current situation is healthy - to allow for progress - but I always find strange when people strongly project that "something else would be better" without having experience with it.
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#95This is absurd! The author raised money without a concrete execution plan, treating capital as permission to “think,” and then panicked when thinking alone didn’t magically turn into value. The post implies there was no wedge, no market insight, not even a search strategy... just the weird hypothesis that people say 'I fit the founder profile, therefore I should found something' It frames the absence of structure as…
Has it this always been common or if it’s a characteristic of a vc-hype cycle?
Why devote yourself so long to creating solutions for a problem of solving it isn’t more gratifying than money?
But after almost decade of working in GTM for B2B startups, I’m starting to realize I find it totally unfulfilling and having begun moving back into the arts world i came from. So maybe I’m just cut from a different mold. Not better, just different.
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#96Im a former YC founder, I recommend to NOT raise external money from anyone, unless there is literally no other choice. Raising money has been marketed as success by VCs and they have done a great job of it. Remember, that in reality, raising money is sign that your business is not doing well.. not the other way around. Furthermore, a lot of people hope that raising money will help them get distribution and customers…
When one does not raise money you get questions like "how do we know you will be here in 6 months, how are you funded?". I doubt people will tell you directly "oh, we have seen you are funded we decided to give you a chance".
> raising money is sign that your business is not doing well
You can raise money to execute (a part of) a larger plans. There are various fields that have barriers to entry in terms of regulation and/or compliance. This can still be couple of FTE + costs before you can sign any deal.
> work on your startup as side project until it's already generating 1.5-2x your annual salary, in a stable way
This highly depends on the type of business. If you are for example in B2B you can't tell your customer "sorry I can meet only after 19:00 because of my other job" not to mention how you can be perceived.
I would add to reasons why you should raise money: make sure the startup has external feedback that you listen to. All founders are quite stubborn - which is good and necessary - and is hard to convince them they need to adjust/pivot/rethink things. Investors can do that, but best is to have some previous experience with the field, otherwise they can be just noise.
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#97I think everyone would seriously benefit from learning poker. I used to play professionally and the idea of looking at things as probabilistic bets, and in terms of expected value is so deeply rooted in my mind Investments are bets. Most sane investors aren't putting it all on one thing Startups are bets Applying for jobs. Sales. Dating. Health. Basically everything You risk $X money and time for a payoff of $Y that…
I am not being sarcastic or flippant in this, it limits me to not be willing to take advantage of the risk/reward system, but it's somehow deeply tied into my ethics in ways I didn't even really notice until my second startup. And I'm okay with that limitation, but I'll work through it sooner or later and regain my appetite for risk.
Aside from that, many people despise thinking this way about their work. Like me, even though I'm willing to do it. I've met founders who loved negotiation. Like I swear they must have been nightmare children. I hate negotiation, I want people to treat each other fairly and will stick with a good human that does so forever. I suspect those people don't mind ripping off family and friends, much less strangers. It is harsh, and I've seen things, but anecdotes aren't statistics, and that's a huge obvious red flag to me. If the leaders like to do internal negotiation games I just want out. It's just painful to have to deal with being around when you just want to make stuff work.
It's important to talk about ahead of time, and get in writing, but that's also something easily overlooked among family and friends who do not do this kind of thing much. And the downsides need to be honest and clear to avoid mistrust.
Now, after working at two startups and starting three, my third is a consulting company that exclusively does things hourly except in very special circumstances. It's never going to grow fast because it scales as my hours of labor. But I am way more able to pick a price for my labor than decide how to price something that I haven't done yet. I could figure it out, I just kinda don't want to. For now?
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#98Im a former YC founder, I recommend to NOT raise external money from anyone, unless there is literally no other choice. Raising money has been marketed as success by VCs and they have done a great job of it. Remember, that in reality, raising money is sign that your business is not doing well.. not the other way around. Furthermore, a lot of people hope that raising money will help them get distribution and customers…
> We raised a decent amount of money from YC and other VCs, and despite that, the thing that helped us most for distribution When one does not raise money you get questions like "how do we know you will be here in 6 months, how are you funded?". I doubt people will tell you directly "oh, we have seen you are funded we decided to give you a chance". > raising money is sign that your business is not doing well You can…
The thing is, we did raise money, and we still go the same questions, and we replied saying these are the VCs that have funded us, and we still lost those kinds of deals. The deals we won, were mainly cause we solved some burning pain point of that specific user, who really didn't care about our funding status.
> You can raise money to execute (a part of) a larger plans. There are various fields that have barriers to entry in terms of regulation and/or compliance. This can still be couple of FTE + costs before you can sign any deal.
Agreed. But for most startups, people raise cause they need more money to survive.
> This highly depends on the type of business. If you are for example in B2B you can't tell your customer "sorry I can meet only after 19:00 because of my other job" not to mention how you can be perceived.
Agreed. It's not ideal, however if you are solving a big enough pain point for the user, I'm willing to bet they won't mind it.
> make sure the startup has external feedback that you listen to. All founders are quite stubborn - which is good and necessary - and is hard to convince them they need to adjust/pivot/rethink things. Investors can do that, but best is to have some previous experience with the field, otherwise they can be just noise.
Yup, I agree here as well. But, the best external feedback is not from your investors, but from your (potential) customers!!
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#99I totally agree with that statement and it mostly explains why so many people does not go down a rabbit hole.
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#100I’d think more would do a ramen bootstrap to test waters on both product fit and potential for monetization though