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Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

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Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

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post #29

Tech dependence is nothing compared to the world's dependence on US financial infrastructure.

The EU has a plan to replace all of that in the pipeline already. That isn’t new, they are already like 5 years into it and I think looking to launch it next year. That one I actually don’t think is going to be a problem at all as a lot of it is already built and basically ready to go.

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

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I think many people don't realize how big this dependence is. You're running Linux? Oh fine... on which hard- and firmware? Intel? AMD? Apple Silicon? Qualcomm? All US. You're using the Internet? Via Cisco routers? Europe and other regions would have to put in huge efforts to really gain independence.

China is getting closer to tech independence by the day, I imagine they are happy to sell their tech to anyone who is willing. Not saying this is good or desirable from a European perspective, but quite likely.

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

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post #53

I really wish the EU leaned heavily into the cloud basic building blocks. There's a lot of stuff in big cloud that is genuinely hard to duplicate especially with network effects, but I don't see why they can't throw a billion or 3 at ensuring you've got a homegrown stack that can do VMs, S3, function, container registry, database, block storage, firewall etc - with guaranteed funding, clear licenses, handful of local…

> I really wish the EU leaned heavily into the cloud basic building blocks.

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> VMs, S3, function, container registry, database, block storage, firewall etc

You think those are building blocks? I think that those are the very tippy-top of the tech stack!

Because, okay, lets say you have already got those things I quoted.

What are you going to run them on (CPU, RAM, storage, etc)? How are they going to talk to each other (Routers, switches, etc)?

It makes no sense, IMO, to have all your software but nowhere to run them. Better to throw that money at ARM/RISC-V development, and you'll literally get startups starting up to build the software for that hardware.

All you're proposing now is (re)building software for a US stack.

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

#96
post #26

Geopolitics aside, tech dependence in general has tipped from net helping us to hurting us. AI dependence is going to make social media dependence look like nothing.

I have never seen some person or organization that couldn't ditch LLMs in an instant. Are you talking about some other kind of AI?

> I have never seen some person or organization that couldn't ditch LLMs in an instant.

I read parent as "This is where they want to be", not "this is were they are right now".

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

#97
post #53

I really wish the EU leaned heavily into the cloud basic building blocks. There's a lot of stuff in big cloud that is genuinely hard to duplicate especially with network effects, but I don't see why they can't throw a billion or 3 at ensuring you've got a homegrown stack that can do VMs, S3, function, container registry, database, block storage, firewall etc - with guaranteed funding, clear licenses, handful of local…

Didn’t moving to the cloud exacerbate the problem in the first place?

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

#98
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ford actually makes vehicles in Europe. Does BYD? If push comes to shove and Europe needs to part ways with the USA, to greater or lesser degree, there will still be machinists, mechanics, and actual facilities in place to keep making Fords. That is a positive from the standpoint of European sovereignty. The EU probably has rules in place to strongly encourage US manufacturers of automobiles to put facilities in the…

> Ford actually makes vehicles in Europe. Does BYD? Not yet. They are in the process of opening a factory in Hungary. The production line equipment arrived in December, with trial production scheduled for Q1 2026, and mass production in Q2, with capacity ramping up over two years. They are also doing a factory in Turkey. Their plan is for all of the EVs they sell in Europe to be made in the EU by 2028. They aren't th…

Factory? Or assembly plant?

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

#99
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is US tech even good anymore? Do none of us not encounter the massive amount of shit from companies like Google, MSFT, Apple, Amazon, etc as users? Truly terrible bugs or user flows from engineers that clearly don't care while everyone is just collecting their own share of blood. I can't think of a single thing that big tech has done to improve my life, or society for that matter, over the last 10 years. All US Tech…

> I can't think of a single thing that big tech has done to improve my life, or society for that matter, over the last 10 years. Apple silicon has been pretty transformative for desktop/laptop-class chips.

> Apple silicon has been pretty transformative for desktop/laptop-class chips.

"Transformative"? Were you perhaps being sarcastic (I misread sarcasm sometimes).

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

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It's only a small contribution, but last week we have ended our Dropbox subscription (12 * 20 Euro = 240 Euro) and moved our data to Proton Drive. We are also moving out photos out of Apple Photos (12 * 10 = 120 Euro per year for storage). And I have also moved my mail out of Fastmail (to Proton Mail), which is a nice Aussie company, but their main servers are hosted in the US, so too risky. We also just moved all ou…

True. European countries will never violate privacy, prosecute citizens for their beliefs, or use blackmail operations against its citizens. Problem solved!
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