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Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Not good for the brand to chase byd on price

They've already become a cheaper brand here in Europe.

BYD quite literally matched their prices here with the Seal and both brands offer equally stupidly good deals vs the current interest rate here in Poland.

They just can't compete with luxury brands that don't sympathize with fascism. People just don't want to advocate for their own demise.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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In a country with 42 million inhabitants this doesn't seem like a big change even for canada, let alone for the global economy.

It’s a complete sea change. I feel Canada only set tariffs on cars out of some deference to the US auto industry. I don’t want to use slippery slope thinking, but this to me smells like rolling out a Canadian auto market that is not dependent on the US. For the average family, being able to spend significantly less on a car is a big deal.

> I feel Canada only set tariffs on cars out of some deference to the US auto industry

That is exactly what they did.

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/electric-vehicl...

> The tariffs follow a May announcement by U.S. President Joe Biden of 100 per cent tariffs on Chinese-made EVs.

> Trudeau said on Sunday night that he had discussed China and other national geopolitical issues with U.S. national security advisor Jake Sullivan.

> smells like rolling out a Canadian auto market that is not dependent on the US

The last federal election was almost entirely decided by which leader made the best pitch to Canadians on who would be better equipped to handle Donald Trump and to make the economy less dependent on the USA as a whole.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Keep in mind that the US auto industry is also very much a Canadian one. A lot of Big Three stuff happens across the border in Ontario. But all the policy support that would have let North American automakers build up a competitive position with China is gone, so this is more about just acknowledging reality now.

Yeah there was never any competing with china, our industry just relies on our market using different values to purchase a car. It’s tough to convince most price-inelastic people they shouldn’t buy a car that is 1/2 price, even if it has fewer features. Edit: to be clear I meant that the US did not compete, not that they could not compete

The expensive cars sell well in the us - customers are not that price inelastic. Those who are prefer a used car with all the high priced features of 5 years ago to a new car with no options

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Good. Carney also remarked our relationship with China is now more predictable with our relationship with the states (wild shade coming from him) just to really make it clear to certain parties why this is happening. Cheaper car options in this country will be nice, and I say this as a certified car hater who's yet to own one despite pushing 40.

I think the niche for EV's in Canada will be regional-ish transportation... I would love to see a network of chargers that fully cover the Trans-Canada Highway, but there are still some pretty significant gaps, for example Hwy 17 - If even one of the stations goes down you'd be stranded. But in that niche I can really see cheap EVs taking off. I know several people who live in Toronto whose cars have never been more…

As a Torontonian that last part is honestly what I'm most excited about. Massive American cars simply do not belong in most of our streets in this city, and if this starts the long process of getting them out that's going to be amazing. I've seen Cybertrucks zooming down streets that are about a Cybertruck and a half wide and it's an untenable situation.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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This new direction of "strategic autonomy", with Donald Trump in the white house just south of the border seems like a difficult hill to occupy. Unfortunately, this is probably what is necessary at this point.

Isn't it somewhat laughable when something like 3/4 of Canadian exports are to the US?

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In a country with 42 million inhabitants this doesn't seem like a big change even for canada, let alone for the global economy.

Cars last ~25 years, 49,000 * 25 = 1.2 million Chinese EV’s on the road in a steady state. Not such as huge shift in total, but EV’s are still a small percentage of total vehicle sales in Canada.

25 years?! Hardly

https://www.brokerlink.ca/blog/how-long-do-cars-last-in-cana...

> In 2020, the Automotive Industries Association of Canada (AIA Canada) reported the average age of Canadian vehicles was 9.7 years, though many industry experts believe that number is closer to 10.5 years today.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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No. Tarriffs aside this would be the problem: https://www.cbp.gov/trade/basic-import-export/importing-car > As a general rule, motor vehicles less than 25 years old must comply with all applicable Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) in order to be imported permanently into the United States. Without homologation there is 0 chance you'd be able to import and register one of these.

How did Ford's CEO do it?

Maybe the same way Steve Jobs did the no plate thing. Maybe he just keeps cycling them. Might even send them to the labs at Ford for destructive analysis after each one is legally done.

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Up to 49,000 vehicles. To put that number in context, in 2024 Candians bought 1,918,861 vehicles of which 264,277 where zero-emissions.

Yes, it's a modest step, but my guess is that those BYD cars will sell like hot cakes and demand will go through the roof. By popular demand, the government will have to lift that limit. That's all China needs to destroy american car manufacturing.

> to destroy american car manufacturing

American car manufacturing is destroying itself just fine.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Where would China be getting savings, here? Unless they are also dropping some tariffs? Canada lowering tariffs saves Canadians money.

> Canada lowering tariffs saves Canadians money. How many chinese EVs are in canada right now? If the answer is close enough to zero as to be insignificant, how is this saving canadians any money on chinese EVs? If it helps, we can say something like: this adds $1-$2B gross revenue to china selling EVs to canada. Profit, probably less than a $1B. Needle still not moving.

Expanding the market with alternatives that are now cheaper seems like an opportunity to save Canadians money.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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It’s a complete sea change. I feel Canada only set tariffs on cars out of some deference to the US auto industry. I don’t want to use slippery slope thinking, but this to me smells like rolling out a Canadian auto market that is not dependent on the US. For the average family, being able to spend significantly less on a car is a big deal.

Keep in mind that the US auto industry is also very much a Canadian one. A lot of Big Three stuff happens across the border in Ontario. But all the policy support that would have let North American automakers build up a competitive position with China is gone, so this is more about just acknowledging reality now.

I think that was true up until last year. Clearly the new administration wants nothing to do with Canada except extract.
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