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‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Post by commandlinefan »

daheza wrote: post #38
bradley13 wrote: post #22

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How about we treat people humanely? How about we focus on the criminals and dangerous people first instead of getting people that have pending citizenship appointments. How about we don't grab people from hospitals, schools, and places of worship? How about we try to get citizenship easier access for these folks who are clearly living and contributing successfully to our society? How about we don't have masked thugs…

> focus on the criminals and dangerous people first

That's what they say they are doing? Every time I read about them arresting somebody who was "just picking their kids up from school", it turns out to be some professional agitator who was trying to get arrested in exchange for a photo op.

Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Post by negzero7 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #72
casey2 wrote: post #61

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This is disgusting hyperbole. Nazis killed millions of innocent people; a nation enforcing border laws by asking illegals to leave or removing them when they don't is not that.

Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Post by dabinat »

0xWTF wrote: post #25
pixelready wrote: post #12

I’ve never worked at Palantir, but once you get past the noisy leadership’s villain virtue signaling, every report I’ve read about the platform itself gives me strong “typical enterprise vendor” vibes. A lackluster software offering that is overhyped to institutional purchasers, then shoved down frontline employees’ throats because the vendor is good at navigating the sales and compliance labyrinth to secure deals. T…

Palantir also supports folks like CDC's DCIPHER https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cdc-and-palantir-pa... When it's a government system, your issue is not really with the vendor, your issue is with the policymakers.

Sorry, but Palantir doesn’t get off that easy. They know full well how their technology is used. Just because a market exists that doesn’t mean you need to fill it. The tech industry could have taken a moral stand like the chemical industry did with execution drugs.

Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Post by negzero7 »

daheza wrote: post #38
bradley13 wrote: post #22

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How about we treat people humanely? How about we focus on the criminals and dangerous people first instead of getting people that have pending citizenship appointments. How about we don't grab people from hospitals, schools, and places of worship? How about we try to get citizenship easier access for these folks who are clearly living and contributing successfully to our society? How about we don't have masked thugs…

They can self deport and get paid doing so, it doesn't get any more humane than that really.

Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Post by hydrogen7800 »

Y-bar wrote: post #80
phoehne wrote: post #60

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In another comment, I referenced Eichmann. A train is not a good thing or a bad thing. A rail car is not a good thing or a bad thing. Having an app that aggregates multiple different data sources and puts them together is not a good thing or a bad thing. It's the morality behind the hands into which we put that tools that matters. The more capable the tool, the more good or evil you can do with it. Maybe we should as…

Producing Cyclon B is a doing a neutral thing apparently? So is building a system cataloguing all Jews and socialists in Berlin also a neutral thing? The officer ordering the legal building of large ovens and carpenter doing the bidding are not guilty? The soldier following the rules written by law that he should coral the ”visitors” and ”workers” is doing no good or bad thing because he has instructions and is not t…

>Producing Cyclon B is a doing a neutral thing apparently?

Without searching for references, it's my understanding that Fritz Haber developed this decades before the war, in conjunction with making synthetic fertilizer. It was later used for the purpose you referenced.

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Post by cheese4242 »

castis wrote: post #73
backlava12 wrote: post #57

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I for one would find it far more acceptable if the people carrying out the deportations would be a little less "shoot U.S. civilians in the face for not listening" about it.

The person you are referring to rammed an ICE agent with their vehicle and the agent suffered internal bleeding as a result.

Sorry but there is no scenario where you can strike law enforcement with your car after being repeatedly ordered to exit your vehicle where their wouldn't be a justifiable use of lethal force. Trying to frame it as "shoot U.S. civilians in the face for not listening" is extremely disingenuous.

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Post by variadix »

castis wrote: post #73
backlava12 wrote: post #57

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I for one would find it far more acceptable if the people carrying out the deportations would be a little less "shoot U.S. civilians in the face for not listening" about it.

“Not listening” is really an incredible framing for trying to flee being detained for obstruction, and in the process hitting and nearly running over a federal agent in your SUV.
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