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Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by ankit219 »

ehsanu1 wrote: post #43
ankit219 wrote: post #33

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The issue is that claude code is cheap because it uses API's unused capacity. These kind of circumventions hurt them both ways, one they dont know how to estimate api demand, and two, the nature of other harnesses is more bursty (eg: parallel calls) compared to claude code, so it screws over other legit users. Claude code very rarely makes parallel calls for context commands etc. but these ones do. re the whole unuse…

They have rate limits for this purpose. Many folks run claude code instances in parallel, which has roughly the same characteristics.

Not the same.

they have usage limits on subscription. I dont know about rate limits. Certainly not per request.

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

threecheese wrote: post #80
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #47

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wow. ACP is used within zed so I guess zed is safe with ACP using claude code I wonder if Opencode could use ACP protocol as well. ACP seems to be a good abstraction, I should probably learn more about it. Any TLDR's on how it works?

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WHAT??

Edit: I may have been rude previously but I was feeling beyond angry because I have tried to be a part of the community and I don't even know what to say

I genuinely am speechless. I think its so sad to see HN community be unable to trust and how you accuse me man which is so sad to see.

I genuinely just don't know what to say? I hope you are (jokng or something?) but what sort ofjoke is this?

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by Aurornis »

The title is misleading if you don’t read the whole text: Anthropic is not blocking OpenCode from the API that they sell.

They’ve blocked OpenCode from accessing the private Claude Code endpoints. These were not advertised or sold as usable with anything else. OpenCode reverse engineered the API and was trying to use it.

The private API isn’t intended for use with other tools. Any tool that used it would get blocked.

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by Aurornis »

pton_xd wrote: post #5

I do admit to feeling some schadenfreude over them reacting to their product being leeched by others. I get it though, Anthropic has to protect their investment in their work. They are in a position to do that, whereas most of us are not.

They’re not literally blocking OpenCode. You can use OpenCode with their API like any other tool.

They’ve blocked the workaround OpenCode was using to access a private API that was metered differently.

Any tool that used that private endpoint would be blocked. They’re not pushing an agenda. They’re just enforcing their API terms like they would for any use.

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by [deleted] »

gpm wrote: post #87
Aurornis wrote: post #84

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Predatory pricing? They have a public API that anyone can use for a public rate. There is no predatory pricing here. The Claude Code endpoint is a private API. They’re free to control usage of their private API.

Predatory pricing is selling something below cost to acquire/maintain market dominance. The Claude subscription used for Claude Code is to all appearances being sold substantially below the cost to run it, and it certainly seems that this is being done to maintain Claude Code's market dominance and force out competitors who cannot afford to subsidize LLM inference in the same way such as OpenCode. It's not a matter o…

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Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by eli »

nebezb wrote: post #69
anon373839 wrote: post #61

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> protect their investment Viewed another way, the preferential pricing they're giving to Claude Code (and only Claude Code) is anticompetitive behavior that may be illegal.

Are you suggesting Anthropic has a “duty to deal” with anyone who is trying to build competitive products to Claude Code, beyond access to their priced API? I don’t think so. Especially not to a product that’s been breaking ToS.

No, but I think they should. Or anti-trust was enforced through some other means. Or at all really.

Citing the ToS is circular logic. They set the terms and can change them whenever they want!

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by [deleted] »

[deleted] wrote: post #95
gpm wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Predatory pricing is selling something below cost to acquire/maintain market dominance. The Claude subscription used for Claude Code is to all appearances being sold substantially below the cost to run it, and it certainly seems that this is being done to maintain Claude Code's market dominance and force out competitors who cannot afford to subsidize LLM inference in the same way such as OpenCode. It's not a matter o…

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Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by azuanrb »

Aurornis wrote: post #93

The title is misleading if you don’t read the whole text: Anthropic is not blocking OpenCode from the API that they sell. They’ve blocked OpenCode from accessing the private Claude Code endpoints. These were not advertised or sold as usable with anything else. OpenCode reverse engineered the API and was trying to use it. The private API isn’t intended for use with other tools. Any tool that used it would get blocked.

> Any tool that used it would get blocked.

Isn't that misleading from Anthropic side? The gist shows that only certain tools are block, not all. They're selectively enforcing their ToS.

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by Palmik »

_boffin_ wrote: post #32
syntaxing wrote: post #27

While Anthropic can choose whatever tool uses their api or subscription but I never fully understood what they gain from having the subscription explicitly only work for claude code. Is the issue that it disincentivizes the use of their API?

Are they ZDR with prompts and completions and possibly rely on usage statistics from their CLI to infer how people are using it?

Not at all. They train on your prompts and codebase unless you opt out.

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

lumost wrote: post #83
gpm wrote: post #77

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They may however be obligated to not give customers access to their services at a discounted rate either - predatory pricing is at least some of the time and in some jurisdictions illegal.

Claude code is so successful that they could silence the api to protect the moat. I’m surprised they didn’t go with the option of offering opus 4.6 to Claude code only.

The API is really expensive compared to a Max subscription! So they're probably making a lot of money (or at least losing much less) via the API. I don't think it's going anywhere. Worst case scenario they could raise the price even more.
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