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So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by pixl97 »

pfraze wrote: post #73
btown wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One aspect of this normalization of photo uploading is that, if a platform allows user-generated content that can splash a modal to kids, a bad actor can do things like say “you need to re-verify or you’ll lose all your in-game currency, go here” and then collect photo identification without even needing to compromise identity verification providers! I truly fear the harm that will be done before legislators realize…

I’m sorry to say that a number of US states have instituted age verification laws over the past year

Aka, morality laws mostly.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by drnick1 »

anthk wrote: post #68
mlinster wrote: post #48

I think that age verification is important. While its not perfect, it is one tool to help protect kids.

Call your ISP and ban any NSFW/NSFL access by DNS, both in your children's phones and your home connection. Problem solved.

This does not work, browsers like Firefox don't even always use the system DNS by default.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

irusensei wrote: post #90
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm trying to find the contact for the does-not-imply-causation dept but I think I lost my slashdot account in 2004.

Nobody studying this issue, from the UK government to independent researchers to NGOs, says this anymore. PornHub in legal filings never uses this argument, but instead focuses on rights to expression rather than dispute the claim.

The causation is clear, documented, proven. Increased pornography exposure with dangerous behaviors, causes those dangerous behaviors to be repeated, even when participants are warned of the risk.

At this point, denial is like saying flat earth has merit.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by rolph »

gosub100 wrote: post #74
cons0le wrote: post #6

>If Google can guess your age, you may never even see an age verification screen. Your Google account is typically connected to your YouTube account, so if (like mine) your YouTube account is old enough to vote, you may not need to verify your Google account at all. This has been proven false a bunch of times, at least if the 1000s of people complaining online about it are to be believed. My google account is definit…

I just got glasses yesterday and the optician needed to take a pic of my face to "make sure my glasses fit". The first thing I thought of was they are probably selling the data.

just say no thank you, i will manage like everyone else has for decades.

else you and your money go elsewhere.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by bluGill »

raverbashing wrote: post #19
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Google account is more than 18 years old and I hit an age prompt when I was trying to watch some FPGA video (out of all things). So no, account age is not necessarily a factor.

Yeah, they could/*should* infer your age just by the fact you're watching an FPGA video

I would have watched those at 10 if the internet was a thing when I was 10. I think most people here would have. (I may or may not have understood it, but I would have tried)

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by pzo »

kube-system wrote: post #42
dlcarrier wrote: post #16

How well does the selfie test detect AI-generated photos? That seems easy to bypass, especially if you copy the metadata over from a real photo.

The ones I have used do not accept photos, they require real-time video with the front-facing camera and they prompt you to move your head to face different directions on command. Not impossible to attack, I'm certain, but it's tougher than simply uploading a photo.

on desktops you can have virtual camera, if you can generate video fast enough wen AI you can ask to edit it according to instructions. Definitely tougher but I'm sure someone will offer services or software like that.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by pixl97 »

next_xibalba wrote: post #78
ryandrake wrote: post #27

My kid has recently just quit playing Roblox because of the sketchy facial age check process. She said that her and all her friends know not to ever upload a picture of themselves to the Internet (good job, fellow Other Parents!!) so they're either moving on to other games or just downloading stock photos of people from the internet and uploading those (which apparently works). What a total joke. These companies need…

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>it might prevent that

On the global internet... good luck with that.

Oh, they'll ban us from looking at other countries net's soon enough for our safety.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

btown wrote: post #61
ryandrake wrote: post #27

My kid has recently just quit playing Roblox because of the sketchy facial age check process. She said that her and all her friends know not to ever upload a picture of themselves to the Internet (good job, fellow Other Parents!!) so they're either moving on to other games or just downloading stock photos of people from the internet and uploading those (which apparently works). What a total joke. These companies need…

One aspect of this normalization of photo uploading is that, if a platform allows user-generated content that can splash a modal to kids, a bad actor can do things like say “you need to re-verify or you’ll lose all your in-game currency, go here” and then collect photo identification without even needing to compromise identity verification providers! I truly fear the harm that will be done before legislators realize…

The fundamental question that needs answering is: should we actually prevent minors below the age of X from accessing social media site Y? Is the harm done significant enough to warrant providing parents with a technical solution for giving them control over which sites their X-aged child signs up, and a solution that like actually works? Obviously pinky-swear "over 13?" checkboxes don't work, so this currently does not exist.

You can work through robustness issues like the one you bring up (photo uploading may not be a good method), we can discuss privacy trade-offs like adults without pretending this is the first time we legitimately need to make a privacy-functionality or privacy-societal need trade-off, etc. Heck, you can come up with various methods where not much privacy needs trading off, something pseudonymous and/or cryptographic and/or legislated OS-level device flags checked on signup and login.

But it makes no sense to jump to the minutiae without addressing the fundamental question.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by john01dav »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #83
polski-g wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What evidence led you to believe this, when controlling for heritability?

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> combined with studies showing there is zero safe threshold without brain damage markers in the blood?

Are you saying that there's zero safe threshold of choking, or for viewing porn?

(To be clear, choking someone without consent is assault and unacceptable, whether a blood test shows damage or not.)

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by pixl97 »

inopinatus wrote: post #67
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Google account is more than 18 years old and I hit an age prompt when I was trying to watch some FPGA video (out of all things). So no, account age is not necessarily a factor.

That makes sense. Golf has a minimum age of 35.

Did you hear they are letting kids play pickleball these days! How scandalous.
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