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UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

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Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#91

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Come on, even knowing this, you have to admit there's probably a lot more unsolicited than solicited ones...

Who knows, I haven't searched for unbiased data to be honest But they can be more judicious with whom they share contact details, and use the block button. They are not forced to be the recipient of any message. Do you think the only solution is for a government backdoor?

No, I don't. But does the government think the only solution is a backdoor? Yes.

They are the ones in power, not you & I.

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#92
post #89

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I agree. If someone is happy for a government worker/algorithm to snoop through everything they send to anyone, feel free to opt in, just don't force us to participate.

if it provably isn't networked and is ephemeral with no logging, then i potentially don't have an issue with it

You have no issue with censorship, as long as there's no surveillance to go with it?

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#93
post #57

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The things you mention are already illegal. The effective proven solution is to enforce existing laws, to punish and deter bad behaviour like any other crime. This incongruence is why a lot of people don't take the reasoning at face value and see it as only rhetorical justification for increased surveillance, which is widely understood as something the state wants do do anyway.

How do you deal with a crime that isn’t reported due to things like shame? Not to say that we need to scan messages to enforce nudes not to be sent, but I don’t think you can say “just enforce existing laws” and be done with it, it’s not that simple.

Maybe we should ban a shame?

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#94

> A major expansion of the UK’s Online Safety Act (OSA) has taken effect, legally obliging digital platforms to deploy surveillance-style systems that scan, detect, and block user content before it can be seen. If this is implemented as it reads, just a note to everyone else, everywhere in the world: For this policy to work, everything must be scanned. So now, every time you communicate with someone in the UK, your c…

Well, yes, because it is designed to protect UK citizens. As much as GDPR applies "everywhere in the world" when interacting with EU citizens. Just as much as my communications are scanned when interacting with US citizens with PRISM. I'd argue that is exponentially more dangerous and nefarious given it's apparently illegality and (once) top secrecy.

>it is designed to protect UK citizens

Is that really what it's designed for?

And as far as the PRISM comparison goes, I'd rather mass surveillance not be done at all, but if it's being done no matter what I'd rather it be illegitimate than official policy. At least they have to jump through some hoops for parallel construction that way, and it doesn't normalize the practice as morally/socially acceptable- it's a "secret" because its embarrassing and shameful for it to exist in a "free" society. If its not a secret and nobody is ashamed of it then you dont even have the pretense of a free society anymore

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on, even knowing this, you have to admit there's probably a lot more unsolicited than solicited ones...

Who knows, I haven't searched for unbiased data to be honest But they can be more judicious with whom they share contact details, and use the block button. They are not forced to be the recipient of any message. Do you think the only solution is for a government backdoor?

Yeah, the government's idea is moronic. But making it the victims' responsibility ("don't share your number indiscriminately") is depressing too. How about make it easier to prosecute the unsolicited sending. How about educating people not to be fuckwits..

Yeah prosecution makes lives more difficult, it's rife for abuse (the recipient could fake evidence, the sender could claim he was hacked/his friend took his unlocked phone..)..

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#96
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The things you mention are already illegal. The effective proven solution is to enforce existing laws, to punish and deter bad behaviour like any other crime. This incongruence is why a lot of people don't take the reasoning at face value and see it as only rhetorical justification for increased surveillance, which is widely understood as something the state wants do do anyway.

How do you deal with a crime that isn’t reported due to things like shame? Not to say that we need to scan messages to enforce nudes not to be sent, but I don’t think you can say “just enforce existing laws” and be done with it, it’s not that simple.

Perhaps His Majesty’s Government could establish mandatory thought scanning using cutting edge technology[0] to ensure that no crimes go unreported due to shame, dishonesty, or threats. Just step into the scanning booth once a week, a minor inconvenience to ensure your safety. Surely you have nothing to hide?

[0] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-03714-0

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#97

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>too many people leave morality at the door Yep, that's life, if something bothers you and it's already a crime then report it. There is precious little in life that can be undertaken without some risk of something unwanted however small (hah).

> Yep, that's life, if something bothers you and it's already a crime then report it. I think that's the issue with this, and why we are seeing new laws introduced. If someone is assaulted in real life, the police can intervene. If people are constantly assaulted at a premises, that premise can lose it's license (for example a pub or bar). When moving to the online space, you are now potentially in contact with billi…

Believe it or not, when a crime has been committed these providers universally defer to the police whose remit is enforcement, a role they seem reluctant to undertake, I'm unconvinced this is anything other than a convenient revenue stream, an opportunity to steer public opinion, and a means of quashing dissent.

Frankly, a few dick pics here and there seems wildly low-stakes for such expensive draconian authoritarianism.

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#98

How will it know if the dick pic is wanted or unwanted?

Simply apply for your Penile Photography Receiver loicense at the local government office and fill out a few forms describing the type of penile photos you are open to receiving. Pay the fee, give it a few weeks, and done. Easy peasy.

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#99

> A major expansion of the UK’s Online Safety Act (OSA) has taken effect, legally obliging digital platforms to deploy surveillance-style systems that scan, detect, and block user content before it can be seen. If this is implemented as it reads, just a note to everyone else, everywhere in the world: For this policy to work, everything must be scanned. So now, every time you communicate with someone in the UK, your c…

Well, yes, because it is designed to protect UK citizens. As much as GDPR applies "everywhere in the world" when interacting with EU citizens. Just as much as my communications are scanned when interacting with US citizens with PRISM. I'd argue that is exponentially more dangerous and nefarious given it's apparently illegality and (once) top secrecy.

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Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#100
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