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Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by breppp »

submeta wrote: post #75
rngfnby wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, HN debate has held up pretty well for something thats been around for twenty years. Criticism of Western liberalism is not one of them.

And you think my point was about Western liberalism? That’s what you call destabilising countries? All while massively supporting some of the most aggressive dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, UAE?

Surely saying that Jordan and the UAE are one of the most aggressive dictatorships in the context of discussing Iran is sarcasm I am missing

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by tariky »

I have friends who wore going to Iran for business meeting. Friends are from former Yugoslavia state who still have connections to Iran. They export sparkplugs to Iran.

Interesting thing is that they say they never seen such a beautiful country with even more beautiful people. Also they said they filled up two full car tanks for ~5€.

Their conclusion is that people there live much better life(more fulfilling) then people in western countries.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by wmf »

alphazard wrote: post #63
dpoloncsak wrote: post #8

There's been some talk of people using Starlink to stay online. Is this a practical counter measure, or is Iran just not yet prepared to deal with them? It's my understanding Iran polices the ISPs, who aren't assigning IP addresses at this time. Iran could treat the dishes as contraband, but short of working with Starlink, is there a practical way for them to prevent satellite internet? You could flood all channels w…

> or is Iran just not yet prepared to deal with them? ... you could flood all channels with packets like a jammer or something A related question that someone here may be able to answer: Who wins the jamming game in principal? Is it $JAMMER or $COMMUNICATORS? It seems like Starlink could distribute secret codes[0] on each device, where each code is used in some kind of spread spectrum scheme, and that jamming all of…

Just look at Ukraine: drones are using fiber because the jammers are winning. AFAIK jamming is simpler than communication and the jammer can always broadcast just as wide as you can spread a signal.

(It's "in principle" BTW.)

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by gregbot »

submeta wrote: post #75
rngfnby wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, HN debate has held up pretty well for something thats been around for twenty years. Criticism of Western liberalism is not one of them.

And you think my point was about Western liberalism? That’s what you call destabilising countries? All while massively supporting some of the most aggressive dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, UAE?

Liberalism is (in the name of democracy) attacking every country that opposes Israel (Iran Syria Libya Iraq Venezuela) and remaining silent on every US backed dictatorship that doesnt lift a finger to support Palestine. (Egypt Saudi Arabia UAE Jordan Jolani/isis)

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by everdrive »

lbrito wrote: post #64
everdrive wrote: post #58

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Ask yourself why Jordan or Egypt are not tripping over themselves to accept Palestinian refugees.

If someone invades your neighbours' homes and kicks them out, you would be eager to collaborate and host them in your home indefinitely, yes?

Nations aren't homes, and specifically the West Bank was previously part of Transjordan, while the Gaza Strip was previously part of Egypt.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by leptons »

password54321 wrote: post #80
submeta wrote: post #13

Western governments do not want democracy in Iran. They want the son of Shah back in Iran, the Shah whose father tortured and exploited Iranians, and that led to the revolution and the rise of the mullahs. The US and Israel want regime change so Israel can dominate the ME. Just like they replaced Assad in Syria by Jolani, a wanted Al Qaeda terrorist who does not oppose Israel in any way but slaughter kurds and alavit…

Israel does seem pretty excited about this and I doubt it is because they suddenly care about people they have killed themselves and a nation they have threatened to destroy.

>and a nation they have threatened to destroy

Iran hasn't threatened to destroy, they have made it their stated mission to "annihilate" Israel. I doubt Israel would have any ill-will towards Iran if Iran didn't first say that about Israel.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by jjwiseman »

ianburrell wrote: post #19
dpoloncsak wrote: post #8

There's been some talk of people using Starlink to stay online. Is this a practical counter measure, or is Iran just not yet prepared to deal with them? It's my understanding Iran polices the ISPs, who aren't assigning IP addresses at this time. Iran could treat the dishes as contraband, but short of working with Starlink, is there a practical way for them to prevent satellite internet? You could flood all channels w…

Iran has deployed jammers for Starlink. It sounds like they got help from Russia and China. They may not be jamming Starlink directly, but GPS that Starlink needs to locate dishes. Easiest way would be to fly drones or planes around and look for the dishes. Should be possible to receive and triangulate the signals. The problem for Iran regime is that they are busy putting down the uprising.

They do seem to be jamming GPS around Tehran at least, as seen on GPSJAM. https://bsky.app/profile/lemonodor.bsky.social/post/3mcak43p...

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by ofrzeta »

tptacek wrote: post #66
remarkEon wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US supported, albeit tacitly, the revolution that put the Ayatollahs in power in the first place.

By which you mean we withdrew support from the Shah, not so much that we supported the Iranian Revolution itself.

The USA have backed the coup against the democratically elected prime minister Mossadegh, to begin with.

"In 1953, the CIA- and MI6-backed 1953 Iranian coup d'état overthrew Iran’s democratically elected Prime Minister, Mohammad Mossadegh, who had nationalized the Anglo-Persian Oil Company."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by Cyph0n »

flyinglizard wrote: post #88
Cyph0n wrote: post #54

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In the sense that an offensive war - especially one that intentionally targets civilians and their families - rallies people around the flag and provides a boost of support to whoever is in power. The regime was organically declining in popularity. Israel’s war simply rejuvenated the regime’s supporter base without any meaningful gains on the ground. There was minimal impact to the enrichment campaign. And the fact t…

Israel has had nukes since the 1960’s, and has been wiping the floor with its adversaries since before even that. What changed now that would push Saudi Arabia and Turkey to get nukes? Nothing really. On the contrary: it is Turkey that’s projecting power in Syria, Libya and Somalia, and likewise Saudi Arabia projecting power in Yemen. Israel’s war on Iran was an important piece in the way to the collapse of the regim…

Disagree with almost everything you said; too lazy to have an extended back and forth.

Let’s follow up in a few months and see who was right.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by ebbi »

tptacek wrote: post #62
ebbi wrote: post #45

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I'm not so sure. There are plenty of pro-regime protests in Iran currently, and the general replies on interviews I've seen is "yes we have our problems, but we don't want Israel and the US fixing it", which tracks with a lot of sentiment I've heard from Iranian friends of mine. There was also a three year old killed by anti-regime protestors which has heightened the sentiments of pro-regime protestors.

I don't doubt this is true but would also note that high-profile online outlets --- Ryan Grim's Drop Site News, most notably --- have run pieces talking about how huge anti-government protests are in fact pro-government protests, when that has turned out to be flatly false. (I don't know where they get this stuff). The Iranian anti-regime movement is very well established and is not the product of foreign interventio…

I agree that the anti-regime movement is not all the product of foreign intervention, but I'd say some (and even wager majority) are. Not acknowledging foreign intervention in this aspect would not give a fuller picture of the dynamics.
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