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Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

getnormality wrote: post #43

Interesting little detail buried near the end: > Powell Jobs and Jobs' sister have said in a statement that the book "differs dramatically from our memories of those times." I've learned from experience that people who aggressively denounce others publicly sometimes have stuff going on that isn't readily visible. It's not that I want Jobs to be free of moral stain. I have no investment in it. But people should be cau…

"I've learned from experience that people who aggressively denounce others publicly sometimes have stuff going on that isn't readily visible."

Wolverton seems to be publicly denouncing Jobs and Powell Jobs aggressively

Powell Jobs and Jobs' sister are not publicly denouncing Brennan-Jobs aggressively

They said they have different memories

By Wolverton's account, Brennan-Jobs is not publicly denouncing Jobs aggressively

Wolverton writes that she recalls memories of Jobs not to "condemn him" but to "make peace" with Jobs and Powell Jobs

Did Jobs ever publicly denounce anyone aggressively

Did he have "stuff going on that isn't readily visible"

Who knows

What we don't know is no reason to doubt what is "readily visible", absent any evidence presented to the contrary

For example,

https://people.com/parents/all-about-steve-jobs-kids/

"But people should be cautious trusting a report of one person's disputed report."

Jobs admitted to lying about being "sterile and infertile" to avoid paying child support

Such dishonesty would make some people hesitate to trust any prior "reports" from Jobs

They might think, "If he was willing to lie about that, then what else was he willing to lie about"

That sort of caution seems justified

The evidence, i.e., dishonesty, is readily visible, it cannot be ignored

Powell Jobs and the sister might have a personal interest in questioning the accuracy of Bernnan-Jobs' memoir

Especially if the book describes what might be interpreted as abuse

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by jjtheblunt »

IAmBroom wrote: post #88
jjtheblunt wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did work for Apple while he was there, and he was entirely decent. I came to believe that there was a bratty entitled personality from his 20s that gave rise to most the jerk stories people reference, and that he wised up after being ousted (probably for being that jerk). He was essentially exiled for the better part of a decade.

You worked for a multi-thousand-employee company, and therefore can certify the moral fiber behind closed doors of the CEO?

in person, not behind closed doors. did you work there and interact with him?

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by lurk2 »

burnte wrote: post #90
lurk2 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Jobs was alive I could still play YouTube videos with my screen locked, I could listen to music with a set of conventional headphones, and iOS did not yet suffer from the storage bug.

> When Jobs was alive I could still play YouTube videos with my screen locked I still can today. It's background mode, part of Youtube Premium. > I could listen to music with a set of conventional headphones You can still do that, too. USB-C to headphone adapters are easy to use and cheap. Lots of folks complain about the lack of headphone jacks, but if you have a cable from your headphones, 4 more inches for the ada…

> I still can today. It's background mode, part of Youtube Premium.

If you’re trying to make the case that things are just as good under Tim Cook as they were under Jobs, paywalling commonly-used features behind a monthly subscription is not an argument in your favor.

> You can still do that, too. USB-C to headphone adapters are easy to use and cheap.

Using an adapter means I can’t charge the device while I’m using headphones. It’s also pointlessly cumbersome.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by burnte »

lurk2 wrote: post #93
burnte wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When Jobs was alive I could still play YouTube videos with my screen locked I still can today. It's background mode, part of Youtube Premium. > I could listen to music with a set of conventional headphones You can still do that, too. USB-C to headphone adapters are easy to use and cheap. Lots of folks complain about the lack of headphone jacks, but if you have a cable from your headphones, 4 more inches for the ada…

> I still can today. It's background mode, part of Youtube Premium. If you’re trying to make the case that things are just as good under Tim Cook as they were under Jobs, paywalling commonly-used features behind a monthly subscription is not an argument in your favor. > You can still do that, too. USB-C to headphone adapters are easy to use and cheap. Using an adapter means I can’t charge the device while I’m using h…

> If you’re trying to make the case that things are just as good under Tim Cook as they were under Jobs,

I never made such an argument.

> paywalling commonly-used features behind a monthly subscription is not an argument in your favor.

Blame Paypal, not Apple. Apple's to blame for plenty anyway.

> Using an adapter means I can’t charge the device while I’m using headphones. It’s also pointlessly cumbersome.

It's not cumbersome AT ALL if you're already carrying headphones. Many phones charge wirelessly so you CAN charge them while using a USB-C headphone adapter.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by trimethylpurine »

IAmBroom wrote: post #77
trimethylpurine wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically his department produced and advised on the data. It's just a government BI team. This is like blaming the BI team for the CEO's decision to fire people. Part of the process, sure. But this a decision made by the majority of Congress. Let's not forget who the bad guy is.

We're not. Blame and guilt are not limited resources; more than one bad guy exists.

Absolutely true. But it's certainly not the bad guy with no power to do what parent accused him of that deserves blame. It's a logical impossibility. We still follow logic, I hope.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by burnte »

burnte wrote: post #94
lurk2 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I still can today. It's background mode, part of Youtube Premium. If you’re trying to make the case that things are just as good under Tim Cook as they were under Jobs, paywalling commonly-used features behind a monthly subscription is not an argument in your favor. > You can still do that, too. USB-C to headphone adapters are easy to use and cheap. Using an adapter means I can’t charge the device while I’m using h…

> If you’re trying to make the case that things are just as good under Tim Cook as they were under Jobs, I never made such an argument. > paywalling commonly-used features behind a monthly subscription is not an argument in your favor. Blame Paypal, not Apple. Apple's to blame for plenty anyway. > Using an adapter means I can’t charge the device while I’m using headphones. It’s also pointlessly cumbersome. It's not c…

Typo: Blame Youtube not Apple.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by lurk2 »

burnte wrote: post #94
lurk2 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I still can today. It's background mode, part of Youtube Premium. If you’re trying to make the case that things are just as good under Tim Cook as they were under Jobs, paywalling commonly-used features behind a monthly subscription is not an argument in your favor. > You can still do that, too. USB-C to headphone adapters are easy to use and cheap. Using an adapter means I can’t charge the device while I’m using h…

> If you’re trying to make the case that things are just as good under Tim Cook as they were under Jobs, I never made such an argument. > paywalling commonly-used features behind a monthly subscription is not an argument in your favor. Blame Paypal, not Apple. Apple's to blame for plenty anyway. > Using an adapter means I can’t charge the device while I’m using headphones. It’s also pointlessly cumbersome. It's not c…

> It's not cumbersome AT ALL if you're already carrying headphones. Many phones charge wirelessly so you CAN charge them while using a USB-C headphone adapter.

You are being willfully obtuse.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by burnte »

lurk2 wrote: post #97
burnte wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you’re trying to make the case that things are just as good under Tim Cook as they were under Jobs, I never made such an argument. > paywalling commonly-used features behind a monthly subscription is not an argument in your favor. Blame Paypal, not Apple. Apple's to blame for plenty anyway. > Using an adapter means I can’t charge the device while I’m using headphones. It’s also pointlessly cumbersome. It's not c…

> It's not cumbersome AT ALL if you're already carrying headphones. Many phones charge wirelessly so you CAN charge them while using a USB-C headphone adapter. You are being willfully obtuse.

I am never willfully obtuse. It's an asshole move.

In this case I GENUINELY do not see how it's cumbersome at all. I've done it. I used cell phones before they used the standard headphone jack, and tended to use the smaller trrs with a Y adapter to breakout mic from output, even that didn't bother me, I left it attached to the headset I sued with those devices. I find the wired part the most cumbersome, so the addition of 3 inches of cable for the adapter never made even the tiniest difference to me. I moved to Bluetooth very early.

Look at this: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/mw2q3am/a/usb-c-to-35-mm-...

It's 3 inches, 5 grams of weight, and it stays attached to the end of the headphone cord. It's a joke to say carrying this along with a wired headphone/earphone is cumbersome.

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