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Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by helloaltalt »

ReptileMan wrote: post #56
mywittyname wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You assume threats need to be made. One doesn't get to be the head of a business in a country like Iran without being a True Believer.

I doubt there are many true believers. Most of the top brass are probably driven from sf interest. But loyalty is beyond doubt. At least until the regime is winning

Iran is kind of like russia thinking about it.

Russia's trying to censor some shit too by having outside ipv4 or something (dont know what its called) blocked and basically made a large intranet

But people could still buy vps and make it work somehow

So iran and russia are similar in that sense and this kinda puts things more into balance but I am sure that % of true believers/doing for self interest might vary or something

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by f1shy »

coffeemug wrote: post #41
ronsor wrote: post #7

No competent network engineer wants to work in Iran, so government doesn't know how to block v6 properly. End result: just get rid of it entirely!

Two counterintuitive/surprising lessons I've come to appreciate: 1.Talent pools in nation states are extraordinarily deep-- much deeper than they appear. Countries can suffer from brain drain for decades (or centuries!) but when conditions call for it, superbly talented people somehow manifest. 2. The correlation between talent and conscience is weak. Nation states always manage to find superbly talented people to wo…

This is so much true! Indeed you can find absolutely everywhere absolutely incredible brilliant people in any area you want. The reason for the 1st and 3rd world is that is difficult to come by enough people and then coordinate them: is about critical mass and alignment.

About 2. also 100% true: intelligence/knowledge is totally independent of any other trait.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by anthem2025 »

daedrdev wrote: post #84
WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Government enacted shut down due to protests Not just protests, it's to prevent foreign interference (like CIA) from fueling civil unrest and spreading AI deepfakes, as seen in Myanmar and Brazil https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...

Wow its so nice this excuse just happens to shut down the internet when an astronomically unpopular regime faces vast protests after years of economic and political mismanagement

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Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by swat535 »

croes wrote: post #82
uyzstvqs wrote: post #37

Can't wait for a certain dictator to get a cellmate, so that our Persian and Kurdish friends can have freedom, including free unrestricted internet access. And for fellow HN users from there, here's some great stuff: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/ https://bitchat.free/

Like when the US removed Saddam? How did that wirk out? You need more of a plan than just get rid of a dictator.

Iran can end up in a much more dire state. It can end up another Syria / Libya.. or worse another aggressive group like Taliban can take hold of the central government.

I also fear that the looming, imminent war between Israel and Iran is going to make things works. I'm expecting Israel to start a conflict within the next 6 months (or sooner) with the aid of United States.

This is the weakest IRGC have been. Many of their allies have been crippled, they have water issues, economical issues and now protests.

I think that securing Venezuela's oil aids this, should IRAN attempt to disrupt the Strait of Hormuz, it will allow Israel and United States to maintain reserves (to what extend, I don't know).

I think things are going to get difficult for Iranian people, no matter what.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by helloaltalt »

petre wrote: post #89
helloaltalt wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are there so many users, see my other comment but i will ask here as well but starlink's american company and sanctioned iran so how do the details really work? And how do starlink recievers enter the country in the first place? This is good that there is still a way to get censorship resistance even after all this perhaps joining it with other protocols which can work via bluetooth,wifi etc. and are more secure…

Black market. We had satellite dishes in Eastern Europe during communism. Bribe some people, shell out some insane amounts of cash and it can be done.

If black market's the only reason that activism/journalism/outside contact is even possible in the country

It doesn't seem much of a plan (very sadly, I wish there was) which could be uncensored that much, some other comment pointed this point too but if black market's the case, then they would just hide whoever is using this

They would also most likely be very less in amount, journalists etc.

But the average person, they are stuck without proper internet

I thought that there are materials which can build starlink and the only thing then you need is just subscription or something

It's just sad to see that black market is the only way.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by tonymet »

croes wrote: post #82
uyzstvqs wrote: post #37

Can't wait for a certain dictator to get a cellmate, so that our Persian and Kurdish friends can have freedom, including free unrestricted internet access. And for fellow HN users from there, here's some great stuff: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/ https://bitchat.free/

Like when the US removed Saddam? How did that wirk out? You need more of a plan than just get rid of a dictator.

We have a pro this time

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by averysmallbird »

TechSquidTV wrote: post #32

Government enacted shut down due to protests. I'd like to hear more about how they actually do this. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-cutting-internet-amid-dead...

There's no single mechanism. Iran's internet is diverse at the edge, and bottlenecked at the international gateway.

Censorship, throttling, and (presumably) surveillance occurs at both layers. In some cases, also the region matters (Sistan and Baluchistan for example have experienced extended blackouts). In part that heterogeneity is because they still ideally want to keep businesses or VIPs online to mitigate the economic loss or logistical issues.

Consequently, the actual means of blocking tends to be on an ISP basis: some will simply drop packets, some will have left certain endpoints open, some will leave international DNS open, etc etc. All that changes when activists notice, exploit the opening, and then the ISP finds out. And then sometimes the TIC (the gateway) will impose blanket limitations or throttling.

My impression is that Iranian intelligence cares less about means than effectiveness, and ISP operators want to keep their license, livelihoods and lives, so they figure out how to meet the mandate. Given that this is something like the fourth blackout in recent years, they've gotten enough practice that there's few options out (that aren't Starlink).

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by ithkuil »

daedrdev wrote: post #84
WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Government enacted shut down due to protests Not just protests, it's to prevent foreign interference (like CIA) from fueling civil unrest and spreading AI deepfakes, as seen in Myanmar and Brazil https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...

Wow its so nice this excuse just happens to shut down the internet when an astronomically unpopular regime faces vast protests after years of economic and political mismanagement

Apparently a lot of people in the west too are assuming that these protests are fueled by the west. At least that's the most likely explanation for why so many left leaning youth are not supporting Iranians while supporting Palestine. Apparently the fight is not about freedom but about (perceived) whiteness vs non-whiteness
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