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An organization that is contrary to the interests of the US: that's exactly the sort of thing you want no American representatives in. Ideally, you don't even want second-hand information about what they are talking about and what decisions they are making.
In your opinion, what's an example of such an organization? And why? What are the US's interests in that case?
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The results quite explicitly show how lacking the training is for these ICE agents. It was unnecessary to shoot the woman even if doing so could potentially be a good way to stop someone that is driving towards you, but it also patently is not a good way as evidenced by the fact that doing it caused the car to accelerate significantly more than it ever did before she was shot, before it crashes into the parked cars.…
Full disclosure. I have/had some cops in my extended family so I might come across as biased. If someone is driving towards you and there is an indication it may hurt you, all bets are off. It is a simple question of survival. Now, a lot will rest on that 'reasonably', but based on the video alone, it is not nearly as clear as some would have you believe that he could not reasonably believe that his life was in dange…
But we can ignore that and work from the idea that he could reasonably fear for his life there. It doesn't matter.
Because again: Shooting someone driving a car towards you at that distance makes you MORE LIKELY TO GET HIT. As evidenced by the fact the car wildly accelerates and is out of control after she is shot. It is one of the reasons that officers are often explicitly trained not to shoot at someone driving a car towards you at that sort of distance - because it isn't effective!
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Nothing in that video, even if taken at face value, disagrees with a single point I made. The ICE agent is maybe pushed by a car moving at low speed. Maybe. He is still never in danger of losing his life or being seriously harmed. The car still accelerates more after he has shot the woman than it did before he shot her. Meanwhile taking that all at face value relies entirely on low res and heavily compressed video ta…
The standard is whether the agent reasonably believes he is in danger. It is not based on whether the car is going too slow to cause damage based on an arm chair's expert claim online. Now, if you are saying there is nothing in that video that makes you question some of your assumptions, we can stop this conversation now. You are too motivated to make 'your side' win.
Even if we assume the first shot was justified (which I disagree with but whatever, we're not going to change each other's minds) the remainder are not.
Lethal force is not on the table for punitive actions. It is meant to be used as a preventative measure.
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The facts are she was given conflicting instructions and shot in the face several times at point blank range. There is no open mind to be had, the video evidence is clear. There was no imminent danger warranting lethal force.
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Pre-WWII the US was largely isolationist, but it's hard to argue this is a return to those values while we're funding the war on Gaza and electively invading Venezuela. This regime's policies are incoherent.
More proof that a nuclear nation can do whatever the hell it wants until the money runs out.
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The results quite explicitly show how lacking the training is for these ICE agents. It was unnecessary to shoot the woman even if doing so could potentially be a good way to stop someone that is driving towards you, but it also patently is not a good way as evidenced by the fact that doing it caused the car to accelerate significantly more than it ever did before she was shot, before it crashes into the parked cars.…
Full disclosure. I have/had some cops in my extended family so I might come across as biased. If someone is driving towards you and there is an indication it may hurt you, all bets are off. It is a simple question of survival. Now, a lot will rest on that 'reasonably', but based on the video alone, it is not nearly as clear as some would have you believe that he could not reasonably believe that his life was in dange…
Forget this "last mile" analysis where you're looking at a crowd of agents about a car in slow motion and an officer standing in front with an already drawn weapon.
Less than a minute earlier that vehicle was motionless and parked up.
Everything that followed happened as a direct result of ICE agents acting as they acted.
One of them yelled and screamed at the driver from the get go, attempted to reach in through the window to open the door and waved a weapon. Another put themselves in front of the vehicle and drew a weapon .. which likely wasn't seen by the driver as they were busy trying to reverse, turn, and get out of there .. it's entirely possible the first time they saw the shooter was an instant before the shot.
As a reasonable good and honest citizen "on the Clapham omnibus" how would you react to people that beeline in on you in that manner?
Do that repeatedly and events like this will occur with frequency.
ICE is a clown show and politicised from the outset to maximise this kind of stupidity.