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Re: A tab hoarder's journey to sanity

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Post by zargon »

imiric wrote: post #24
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #5

Aligning with the linked post, I've found that tab hoarding is directly connected to exceedingly poor bookmark UX/UI in browsers. Despite being a core browser feature, it's barely improved in decades, with the most radical change having been Arc's decision to cut out bookmarks altogether (which I don't think is right either). Bookmark management sucks and is too high friction for my brain to willingly engage in it. T…

> Third party managers don't hit the spot either. I've been happy with Pinboard for many years now, which does just the bare essentials. There are integrations for most browsers, though I prefer using it externally via a small CLI client. This allows me to keep a local backup of my bookmarks in JSON, to filter them with fzf/rofi, and to use it with any browser. After all, I just need to quickly find a URL, and copy/p…

I ditched Pinboard a few years ago because I had a lot of difficulty getting my data out and there is no support. Marciej (idlewords) snarkily brags about not answering email (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23789426).

Re: A tab hoarder's journey to sanity

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Post by miladyincontrol »

zerd wrote: post #86
miladyincontrol wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self hosted karakeep has been the only thing that got me out of tab hoarding. Bookmarks, locally archives the page, OCRs text off images, auto tags using and summarizes it using whatever AI model I want, in my case one off a local ollama instance. ios? just a share away to have any link processed. Now I just stash and move on, when I need to find things again it's never been easier.

I was about to do exactly what OP did and create a chrome extension when I found karakeep which saved me from doing that. I really like the full archive because sites disappear all the time, and screenshots for a visual overview. Used to use pinboard but didn't like that archive feature was a subscription. It also works with SingleFile to archive logged-in sites.

Good catch on mentioning singlefile, I use it but I dont think about it much since it's such a background 'thing'. Havent really dug into it's usage beyond feeding pages over but seems like its got a ton of use cases.

Re: A tab hoarder's journey to sanity

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Post by imiric »

zargon wrote: post #91
imiric wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Third party managers don't hit the spot either. I've been happy with Pinboard for many years now, which does just the bare essentials. There are integrations for most browsers, though I prefer using it externally via a small CLI client. This allows me to keep a local backup of my bookmarks in JSON, to filter them with fzf/rofi, and to use it with any browser. After all, I just need to quickly find a URL, and copy/p…

I ditched Pinboard a few years ago because I had a lot of difficulty getting my data out and there is no support. Marciej (idlewords) snarkily brags about not answering email ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23789426 ).

Yeah, I've read similar complaints, but I haven't had any issues.

The only data I need—my bookmarks and tags—are already backed up in a JSON file. You can get this via the API. It would be good to have the crawled archives as well, but I don't really need it. A large number of my bookmarks are probably dead anyway, and could use pruning, so an archive of these is not that valuable.

Re: A tab hoarder's journey to sanity

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Post by terribleperson »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #5

Aligning with the linked post, I've found that tab hoarding is directly connected to exceedingly poor bookmark UX/UI in browsers. Despite being a core browser feature, it's barely improved in decades, with the most radical change having been Arc's decision to cut out bookmarks altogether (which I don't think is right either). Bookmark management sucks and is too high friction for my brain to willingly engage in it. T…

Firefox has bookmark tags, except they're not accessible on mobile.

Browser devs do not seem interested in improving the state of bookmarks.

Re: A tab hoarder's journey to sanity

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Post by BrenBarn »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #5

Aligning with the linked post, I've found that tab hoarding is directly connected to exceedingly poor bookmark UX/UI in browsers. Despite being a core browser feature, it's barely improved in decades, with the most radical change having been Arc's decision to cut out bookmarks altogether (which I don't think is right either). Bookmark management sucks and is too high friction for my brain to willingly engage in it. T…

I agree this is a factor. The friction of bookmarking pages in a way that would actually reduce the effort of finding the page later is too high.

Re: A tab hoarder's journey to sanity

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Post by BrenBarn »

I generally have several thousand tabs open at a time. Hacker News is a big source of them. I use Simple Tab Groups and it takes a few seconds to switch from one group to another but I've become fairly okay with that. I use Auto Tab Discard so that most of the tabs are "hibernated" and don't consume so many resources.

Still, it always baffles me how poorly browsers handle high tab counts. Browser tabs should be able to proliferate as freely as spreadsheet rows. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to have 100,000 tabs open, or even a million, and switch between them smoothly. Only the tabs that are active should impose a meaningful performance cost. The tab itself is just a tiny UI element with some text and an icon.

Re: A tab hoarder's journey to sanity

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Post by dredmorbius »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #80
snailmailman wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also very frequently easier to just open a new tab, compared to finding the already existing one. I never really need more than one YouTube tab. I can’t watch more than one video at once, and if I want to watch something later, I use YouTube’s own “watch later”. But in my 300+ tabs there’s likely several copies of my subscription box. Because rather than scroll through the tabs I can just press ctrl+t and type Y…

In Chrome, you can use cmd+shift+a or ctrl+shift+a to do fuzzy search in all your tabs (I believe this uses the URL and the page title)

How long has this existed?

It didn't exist (or was undiscoverable) when I was last using Chrome / Chromium, though that was ~6+ years ago.

Re: A tab hoarder's journey to sanity

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Post by quesera »

kvemkon wrote: post #52
quesera wrote: post #46

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I currently have 20,097 tabs open in one browser profile. The oldest tab appears to be an HN post from 2.5 years ago, which must be the last time I swept tabs into bookmarks. I used to sweep them more regularly, but Firefox + Sidebery don't even break a sweat with 20K tabs, apparently, so why bother? The only downside is that it takes about 15 seconds for the browser to launch. I restart the browser whenever Firefox…

> about 15 seconds for the browser to launch I also have many tabs (that's why I could quickly recall and find the post). Restoring session takes a while (much more than 15 seconds). I measure this time by looking on the CPU consumption. Only once it drops to near zero I consider session completely restored.

I just timed it for accuracy. When launched alone, on my M2 MBA, it's about 18 seconds to full draw of visible tab list, and 29 seconds to snappy interactivity. I didn't check CPU utilization.

Usually, when I launch this 20+Kt profile, I also launch 2-3 other profiles simultaneously (work 2Kt, personal/misc 3Kt, sometimes commerce 400t). I've noticed that they each peg a core while launching, but this is the only one that isn't ready quickly.

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