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#91

The gist is basically "People should be treated the same way regardless of gender/race/...", which I agree to entirely, people who are trolling are probably incompetent women or sexually frustrated nerds afraid of losing the few female interactions they are exposed to in the workplace.

absolutely agree.

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#92

Some people are going to say that he was in the right, and some will argue this is a consequence of being wrong, but this doesn't matter. What this illustrates is the dangerous precipice that the world of blogging is hanging on to, where the violent hatred that spews forth when anyone writes a remotely controversial opinion threatens to silence any opinion that sways too far from mainstream consciousness. The fact th…

Just as an aside: that's a misattributed quotation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall

Re: Game Over

#93

Some people are going to say that he was in the right, and some will argue this is a consequence of being wrong, but this doesn't matter. What this illustrates is the dangerous precipice that the world of blogging is hanging on to, where the violent hatred that spews forth when anyone writes a remotely controversial opinion threatens to silence any opinion that sways too far from mainstream consciousness. The fact th…

I'm sorry, but, what? Critique is not censorship. The spread and evolution of ideas necessitates a dialog--critique, further reform of your idea, more critique, etc. etc. etc. This is how pretty much all intellectual expression works. Ideas do not exist in a vacuum, they exist among all other ideas and opinions and among data and personal anecdote and so on.

Without critique, ideas fail.

Edit: If you think someone is wrong, you should tell them (if you can articulate it in a well-reasoned, well-supported manner). Controversial ideas especially shouldn't get a free pass from critique just because they're on the dubside of mainstream thought. How does that even make any sense? Mainstream ideas are, by definition, more popular. While this popularity could lead to less (direct) critique, it still leads to more people thinking about the idea, refining it, etc. There's more brainpower behind a mainstream idea than behind a controversial one. All ideas are deserving of critique, but the ones that have been built with less human hours should probably be looked at a little more closely.

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#94
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this from a different perspective. We are finally getting to the point where a critical mass of people are not going to tolerate sexist misinformed crap as they encounter it, and will instead speak out en masse. The blog post on sexism wasn't a "controversial opinion." The author wasn't bravely standing up to the mainstream. It was just his crappy opinion that tech needs to continue to try very hard to move pas…

> "We are finally getting to the point where a critical mass of people are not going to tolerate sexist misinformed crap as they encounter it, and will instead speak out en masse." Except this critical mass of people behave more like an angry mob with pitchforks and torches, rather than a room full of shouting retorts. The internet has given us a remarkable freedom in expression - it has also lowered the floor for di…

>I don't think the mild, "I think you're stupid and wrong" responses are why he's quitting Twitter.

So, what you're saying is that you have no proof that he deleted his Twitter over anything more than not being able to stand criticism?

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#95
post #31

Some people are going to say that he was in the right, and some will argue this is a consequence of being wrong, but this doesn't matter. What this illustrates is the dangerous precipice that the world of blogging is hanging on to, where the violent hatred that spews forth when anyone writes a remotely controversial opinion threatens to silence any opinion that sways too far from mainstream consciousness. The fact th…

> If we continue to censor ourselves, it will destroy us. Hence, the title of OP's post. It was all really inevitable though.. The collective code we write spawned this. We make it increasingly simple for humans to share.. and equally as easy for humans to collaborate. These forces will combine for good and/or evil. Take this past week on reddit as an example... If you don't know it, one of their most prolific users,…

Journalism isn't doxxing.

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#96
Free speech goes both ways; it is not freedom to consequence-free speech.

Want to express the opinion that women (and presumably men) who are highlighting and combating sexism are just demanding special treatment and wasting everyone's time? That's fine, but everyone else has the freedom of speech to criticize your speech and form an opinion of you based on what you've said. That's how this works.

Hypocrisy is unbecoming. Self-censorship because other people will point out how wrong you are isn't censorship; it's doing your homework. If you don't want to be called ignorant and wrong, don't be ignorant and wrong.

Imagine some journalist coming in and saying the problem with software development was that programmers didn't document enough. It isn't censorship for their opinion to be laughed out of the room.

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#97
post #75
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this from a different perspective. We are finally getting to the point where a critical mass of people are not going to tolerate sexist misinformed crap as they encounter it, and will instead speak out en masse. The blog post on sexism wasn't a "controversial opinion." The author wasn't bravely standing up to the mainstream. It was just his crappy opinion that tech needs to continue to try very hard to move pas…

This blog post? http://antirez.com/post/different-take-sexism-it.html I'd be curious how many people here find this beyond the pale. As a data point, I didn't. I don't agree with all of it, but I don't see what part of it counts as sexist, in the sense of advocating discrimination based on gender.

I just find it ignorant and misguided. He ignores reality in favor of his preferred theoretical model of the world.

It is sexist, in that advocating for the sexist status quo is advocating for sexism.

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#98
post #20

Some people are going to say that he was in the right, and some will argue this is a consequence of being wrong, but this doesn't matter. What this illustrates is the dangerous precipice that the world of blogging is hanging on to, where the violent hatred that spews forth when anyone writes a remotely controversial opinion threatens to silence any opinion that sways too far from mainstream consciousness. The fact th…

I see this from a different perspective. We are finally getting to the point where a critical mass of people are not going to tolerate sexist misinformed crap as they encounter it, and will instead speak out en masse. The blog post on sexism wasn't a "controversial opinion." The author wasn't bravely standing up to the mainstream. It was just his crappy opinion that tech needs to continue to try very hard to move pas…

> Most importantly, his opinion was NOT silenced.

Well, /he/ is not silenced, but definitely the next thoughtful persons will likely decide to keep silent.

In a very brief skimming of this topic, I noted even tweets dragging his employer (and by extension his livelihood) into this, which imo is likely the real reason for his departure from tweeter.

The fact is that there are dissenting views on this topic by well meaning and civilized humans.

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#99
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this from a different perspective. We are finally getting to the point where a critical mass of people are not going to tolerate sexist misinformed crap as they encounter it, and will instead speak out en masse. The blog post on sexism wasn't a "controversial opinion." The author wasn't bravely standing up to the mainstream. It was just his crappy opinion that tech needs to continue to try very hard to move pas…

> Most importantly, his opinion was NOT silenced. Well, /he/ is not silenced, but definitely the next thoughtful persons will likely decide to keep silent. In a very brief skimming of this topic, I noted even tweets dragging his employer (and by extension his livelihood) into this, which imo is likely the real reason for his departure from tweeter. The fact is that there are dissenting views on this topic by well mea…

That is no fact. I hold that the status quo, which is the opinion expressed in that blog post, is finally facing the criticism it deserves.

Well-meaning and civilized has nothing to do with it. Your intent and whether you view yourself as sexist has little to do with whether the views you espouse are actually sexist.

With regard to further opinions of this type being silenced... this will not take place, going by the lengthy historical precedence.

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