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Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by llm_nerd »

BeetleB wrote: post #81
rendaw wrote: post #12

When this news first came out it was mind blowing, but at the same time I don't entirely get it. So the money quote seems to be: > The literature review heavily criticized studies linking sucrose to heart disease, while ignoring limitations of studies investigating dietary fats. They paid a total of 2 people $50,000 (edit: in 2016 dollars). That doesn't seem like enough to entirely shape worldwide discourse around nu…

> I guess the thing that I most don't get is it's now been 10 years since then, and I haven't seen any news about the link between sugar and CVD. Decades - not 10 years. The payment was made in the 1960's.

I believe they're talking about this UCSF report of a "newly discovered cache of industry documents", which came out in 2016.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by DetectDefect »

bell-cot wrote: post #85
DetectDefect wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely you jest as the animal agriculture industry is many times larger than any "big sugar" boogeyman.

"Bigger = Badder" is quick & easy heuristic, but not a particularly accurate one.

It is when it comes to slaughtering 80 billion sentient animals each year.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by llmslave »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #46

A casual look at where people live the oldest, what they eat, and what's recommended tell you all you need to know about food recommendations then and now. It's a field where actual long term controlled experiments are impossible, confounding variables are everywhere, and multiple lobbies have vested interests in the outcomes. I take everything with a grain of salt apart from studies of harm when sources are credible…

This is a complete myth. Human populations are not homogenous, gene pools that relied on agriculture for the last 10k years are completely different than hunter gatherer populations. You have been lied to

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by nsxwolf »

mullingitover wrote: post #20
alphazard wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is a lot of speculation that we will soon see a new food pyramid that is inverted. Pretty much everyone I know understands that the food pyramid is the product of various lobbies coming together and does not represent a legitimate theory of diet or nutrition. That is independent of their politics or opinions about RFK. I don't think a change to the food pyramid would change anyone's actions, people haven't ta…

The food pyramid went away over twenty years ago. It was discontinued in 2005, and the current guidelines are at https://www.fns.usda.gov/cnpp/myplate which launched in 2011.

I just see one lobby, "Big Macronutrient". We all need to eat. I'll be worried when some company tries to make me eat actual plastic.

We know far less about any of this than we pretend to.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by rendaw »

BeetleB wrote: post #81
rendaw wrote: post #12

When this news first came out it was mind blowing, but at the same time I don't entirely get it. So the money quote seems to be: > The literature review heavily criticized studies linking sucrose to heart disease, while ignoring limitations of studies investigating dietary fats. They paid a total of 2 people $50,000 (edit: in 2016 dollars). That doesn't seem like enough to entirely shape worldwide discourse around nu…

> I guess the thing that I most don't get is it's now been 10 years since then, and I haven't seen any news about the link between sugar and CVD. Decades - not 10 years. The payment was made in the 1960's.

Ah sorry, 10 years since the revelation about the funding. But yes, decades (over 50 years?) since the single (?) literature review.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by logicchains »

tuyiown wrote: post #77
ecshafer wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You're really reducing a whole economic situation to a currency issue ?

It's not just a currency issue; inflation is by definition a reduction in the purchasing power of a fixed wage, and the issue we're facing is that the purchasing power of people's wages is less. If their wages were denominated in a unit of account that wasn't continuously losing value, they wouldn't be continuously losing purchasing power.

The reason you may not know it's an issue is because inflation in our current system isn't just a loss of purchasing power, it's a transfer of purchasing power to those who first receive/spend the newly created money: the banking/financial system. So of course the system invested a lot of money, time and effort in convincing you that it's a good thing to continuously donate a fraction of your purchasing power to the finance industry every year.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by loeg »

giacomoforte wrote: post #80
__0x01 wrote: post #62

My understanding was that atherosclerotic plaques are comprised of cholesterol or fatty deposits [1] and that these can lead to CVD. The fat mechanism I understand, but what is the mechanism for sugar in CVD? [1] https://www.heart.org/en/health-topics/cholesterol/about-cho...

Pretty much every health authority will tell you that high blood sugar damages blood vessels, thereby enabling the formation of said plagues.

Healthy adults consuming some dietary sugar doesn't cause persistent high blood sugar, though. That's diabetes.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by shermantanktop »

napkinartist wrote: post #40
giantg2 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Pretty much everyone I know understands that the food pyramid is the product of various lobbies" Maybe adults, but probably not the people who were taught the food pyramid - children. Edit: changed the tense to acknowledge this was in the past. Thought that was obvious since the food pyramid was a thing of the past.

Who is being taught the food pyramid? Its been 20 years since it was discontinued. I don't know any children being taught it.

I've seen this over and over - adults assuming that what happens in schools today is the same their childhood experience in the classroom, frozen in time.

Parents of school-age children ranting and raving about how the school needs to stop doing X, when it hasn't been that way forever; and they cannot hear it, cannot absorb it, cannot stop talking about it. Something something childhood trauma.

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