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Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by SirMaster »

meowkit wrote: post #85
nomel wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify lossless support was added last year [1]. [1] https://newsroom.spotify.com/2025-09-10/lossless-listening-a...

Spotify only streams 16-bit lossless as far as I have seen (though they claim 24 bit in this post). Might require artists to reupload the audio? Tidal has much more 24 bit options when I did an A/B. The dynamic range difference is very material on quality sound setups. As a side note Bluetooth (at least for Airpods) only does 16-bit!

There's no benefit to more than 16-bits. 16-bit allows for a dynamic range of 96dB. No music is mastered anywhere near this dynamic range.

24-bit helps in production pipelines for mixing, but for end user playback it's pointless.

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by joecool1029 »

dawnerd wrote: post #49
aeturnum wrote: post #29

There are lots of reasons to dislike Spotify but a frustration of mine with the "I ditched Spotify" discourse is that it hides the ball. As this article quietly acknowledges at the end: ditching streaming services either means spending a lot more money or listening to a lot less music. To be clear I think either option is fine, but those seem like the important aspects of the change. If you are going to spend 10x mor…

I want to love qobuz but their ux is horrible as is discovery and they suffer the same problem the others do with their supplied catalog being flooded in fake songs attached to real artists as “ft.). Qobuz is one of the only places I’ve found to buy drm free music for some artists I follow.

> I want to love qobuz but their ux is horrible

I did not find this to be the case. Someone gave me a few months trial on them recently and I found the interface to be the only one out of the streaming services to give a shit about customers that prefer listening to albums. None of the other major streaming services I've tried do. (not Apple, Spotify, nor Tidal). My only real knock on them has been their catalog seems to be the smallest of the majors.

Spotify was always trying to push some unrelated garbage when I had them like podcasts which I would never want to listen to and especially not the types they kept pushing (wasn't even popular ones like Rogan, it was stuff like male erection help and jesus podcasts lol). They also tried to weasel in audiobooks, which again isn't something I'd ever want in a music app. I think they even tried to do tv shows for a brief period of time. All these things pushed me away from it.

Besides all the other reasons Spotify is a terrible shit company it just sucks for discovering albums. No way to turn off playlist and single recommendations. It prioritizes recommending new stuff that's in genres I don't listen to. The only nice thing it does do is support last.fm (which Qobuz and plexamp also does) so I can scrobble there and get actually accurate recommendations through that.

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by [deleted] »

sedatk wrote: post #67

I stopped my Spotify subscription and gave Apple Music and Youtube Music a try for a few months. I'm now again a Spotify user, despite that Youtube Music is still included in my Youtube Premium. The apps are terrible in terms of usability, performance, and reliability. I couldn't believe Apple dropped the ball on so hard on this, but then I remembered iTunes and started believing again. Most of my problem is basic ne…

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Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by temp0826 »

sedatk wrote: post #67

I stopped my Spotify subscription and gave Apple Music and Youtube Music a try for a few months. I'm now again a Spotify user, despite that Youtube Music is still included in my Youtube Premium. The apps are terrible in terms of usability, performance, and reliability. I couldn't believe Apple dropped the ball on so hard on this, but then I remembered iTunes and started believing again. Most of my problem is basic ne…

A few of my favorite artists have dropped from Spotify (for great reasons that I agree with) and I want to switch to something else. I gave Apple Music a try but the interface is just unbelievably bad. Also I am a Linux user and the lack of a native app is brutal (and Cider, a 3rd party app, is a no-go for me). Tidal seems decent though and I'll probably give it another shot eventually.

The other thing is I actually do get a lot out of the suggestions and daylist of Spotify. I guess there are some 3rd party recommendation systems out there now (pulling in data from last.fm scrobbles) but I'm not aware of something that would be as easy and have such an integrated result.

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by etskinner »

jaredcwhite wrote: post #36

Never used Spotify, never will. I also, as a producer, pulled my music off that service a long time ago. I'm also not very happy with Apple Music anymore either. The lack of UX care regarding the service is noticeable. It suffers from weird bugs and tracks which suddenly won't play all the time. This is not the Apple which lovingly created the first few versions of iTunes. So I've started to collect a solid collectio…

The problem seems to be, as a producer, if you don't publish your music there, people won't find it or listen to it, at least not in the viral way that other artists are able to find success.

Sure, there are plenty of people who get their kicks from record stores and soundcloud, but to properly make it, you need to be where the ears are.

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by joecool1029 »

modernerd wrote: post #48

I buy my music from Bandcamp and similar and drop it into YouTube Music. It supports up to 100k uploads and you can stream and/or download your uploads on web/iOS/iPadOS etc. https://support.google.com/youtubemusic/answer/9716522?hl=en It's not as independent but if you're already paying for YouTube Premium it seems reasonable if you don't want to host your own media server.

> It supports up to 100k uploads and you can stream and/or download your uploads on web/iOS/iPadOS etc. https://support.google.com/youtubemusic/answer/9716522?hl=en

TIL they somewhat resurrected Google Music and raised the limit (I think it was 20k on that). I used Google Music for years because it seemed like only Spotify and them figured out reliable caching on mobile, other services when I'd lose signal they'd give up trying to stream... even noticing recently apple music is not super reliable with that.

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by eikenberry »

nomel wrote: post #79
akpa1 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do enjoy the Spotify Wrapped stuff, but after moving partially to selfhosting Navidrome for a growing collection of rips and DRM-free purchases, I've been scrobbling everything (including Spotify) to Last.fm, which has a similar end-of-year round-up. It's pretty good, got mine a couple of days ago.

> for a growing collection of rips and DRM-free purchases I did the math once for my Spotify liked songs list [1] and it came to $52k for the last 15 years, or $288/month, if I were to self host, without piracy. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45133622

Music pricing is pretty ridiculous compared to streaming. Self hosting will pretty much always require piracy until artists decide they want more fans to buy their music than stream and price accordingly.

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by drnick1 »

aeturnum wrote: post #29

There are lots of reasons to dislike Spotify but a frustration of mine with the "I ditched Spotify" discourse is that it hides the ball. As this article quietly acknowledges at the end: ditching streaming services either means spending a lot more money or listening to a lot less music. To be clear I think either option is fine, but those seem like the important aspects of the change. If you are going to spend 10x mor…

> ditching streaming services either means spending a lot more money or listening to a lot less music.

Certainly not. As to how, I don't believe I need to provide instructions.

The main issue with streaming is that you own nothing, and also get snooped on.

If you really want to "stream" NewPipe is as good as any streaming service.

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

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Post by doublerabbit »

SirMaster wrote: post #91
meowkit wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify only streams 16-bit lossless as far as I have seen (though they claim 24 bit in this post). Might require artists to reupload the audio? Tidal has much more 24 bit options when I did an A/B. The dynamic range difference is very material on quality sound setups. As a side note Bluetooth (at least for Airpods) only does 16-bit!

There's no benefit to more than 16-bits. 16-bit allows for a dynamic range of 96dB. No music is mastered anywhere near this dynamic range. 24-bit helps in production pipelines for mixing, but for end user playback it's pointless.

Maybe pointless, but if provided why not?

Re: Self hosting my media library with Jellyfin and Wireguard on Hetzner

#100

Post by stryan »

thordenmark wrote: post #70
geekamongus wrote: post #5

A couple of points missed for why Spotify is bad: - Paying musicians cheap wages to make boring music (ghost artists) for playlists they promote: https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machin... - Not paying musicians anything at all if they don't have enough streams: https://www.engadget.com/spotify-confirms-it-wont-offer-payo... - Not preventing the deluge of AI-generated music flooding the platform:…

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> You can generate a heavy metal song that is actually heavy metal, same with other genres that have been destroyed, or the kind of music that just isn't being made anymore.

Or just listen to any of the easily available fantastic metal albums released in the past year? I could see the argument for incredibly niche genres (though in the age of Bandcamp I'd love to see a genre that doesn't have at least a few artists producing music for it) but there's plenty of heavy metal being made these days in both the general and the traditional (i.e. the heavy metal genre versus general metal genre) sense.

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