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I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by cromka »

throw-12-16 wrote: post #86
omnimus wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well WebDav/CalDav/CardDav works quite OK. Baïkal is trivial to selfhost (cal+card) then you just pick some webdav implementation like KaraDav/PicoDav/FlyDav and you are good. Email is really the one that requires lot of caring about so not easy to self host.

You can self host email in an afternoon, its not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

It's not about configuration but rather your IP reputation and the struggle to not have your mail go straight to addressee's spam folder.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by kachapopopow »

cdmckay wrote: post #41

I really wanted to switch to the Proton stack and even tried it for a couple weeks but the search in Proton Mail is so bad I couldn’t use it for even simple things like finding my airline tickets. I had to switch back to Google Workspace. It doesn’t seem like Proton even really cares about the how bad their mail search is and is more focused on releasing new products.

this is a soft case of "you're using it wrong/didn't read what proton mail is" they physically cannot offer you this functionality even if they really wanted to. Although you can enable message body search and it has to be indexed on your client (which takes a long time and is a pretty bad UX - but there is no alternative).

Instead (and this is the suggested way) you can link it to an email client which stores emails on device unencrypted using proton mail bridge. They could pre-load all content in your browser, but again it's pretty bad UX and you would sit there wondering why the search takes 1-2 minutes on a fresh window session if it was on "by default". You *can* use automatic tagging for assisted search (like "if contains flight, add flight tag") though if you want to continue exclusively using the web app(s).

But there is a pretty valid concern here: why don't the native iOS and android apps have an email index?! I guess they don't want to be caught "storing" your emails unencrypted? I don't know - should really be an option.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by cromka »

omnimus wrote: post #58
kavouras wrote: post #10

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm…

Well WebDav/CalDav/CardDav works quite OK. Baïkal is trivial to selfhost (cal+card) then you just pick some webdav implementation like KaraDav/PicoDav/FlyDav and you are good. Email is really the one that requires lot of caring about so not easy to self host.

IMHO the problem starts when you need to share your calendar with the outside, then you need to expose that service to the Internet and, to me, it's a whole different level of complexity making sure it remains safe.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by whazor »

kavouras wrote: post #10

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm…

We should all have e-mail backups regardless of which service we are on. Even Google shuts down accounts randomly. Owning your domain and having e-mail backups makes it easy to switch e-mail services.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by kavouras »

omnimus wrote: post #58
kavouras wrote: post #10

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm…

Well WebDav/CalDav/CardDav works quite OK. Baïkal is trivial to selfhost (cal+card) then you just pick some webdav implementation like KaraDav/PicoDav/FlyDav and you are good. Email is really the one that requires lot of caring about so not easy to self host.

Yes I'm aware, what I'm saying is, in the time between setting up my home server again, I've realised it's not even that useful. I used to think that having my todo and calendar locally on my phone was unusable.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by cromka »

wiseowise wrote: post #72
stanmancan wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Worse” is fully dependant on what you’re looking to get out of a product. I consider anything Google/Meta to be about as bad as it gets because I disagree with their business practices and value my privacy.

“Worse” has a defined meaning and they’re right. Proton stuff doesn’t hold a candle to the level of polish of Google.

So that definition does not cover "privacy"? Where does one look up the definition of "worse" you're referring to?

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by cromka »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #69
utopiah wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, Strange to compare "scares" with a business model that's 20 years old now. Sure the EU is far from perfect but it's like comparing a well known problem to a potential one. One is bad, the other might sucks. It's definitely not equivalent.

> It's definitely not equivalent. We agree, but not for the reasons you think we do. Chatcontrol is literally 1984. It's mandated at the provider level. You can't opt out. You can always chose not to participate in the social media, sharing whatever you do. You can't not participate in chat control. Same same, but different.

But you get that it's still hypothetical at this point, while it's been going on in the US for, what, 20 years now?

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by cromka »

drstewart wrote: post #82
bigiain wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a choice. But it's not everyone's choice. And with , the non-USA choice is rapidly becoming more popular - at least among the people I know and talk to outside the US.

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So anyone not aligning with the U.S. is basically in bed with China/Russia?

Huh, where have we heard this before?

Also, the irony here is you not seeing the ongoing Russia-US alignment.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by cromka »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #40
bigiain wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They moved from platform USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy. That's a big deal to some of us. Especially important it the demonstration that your privacy which Google et al, are so insistent on monetizing, does not mean they are charging you less for the same services that other companies can charge when you are paying only with your money, not your privacy as well.

I mean I don't think anyone seriously thinks the USA doesn't have access to all the EU data.

I do. I think many do.
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