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CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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For those who want to consider the mundane explanation about remote viewing: remember that humans can still be surprised by the birthday paradox and other synchronicities that occur when sampling data at large scale. So across thousands of sessions, the weak coincidences documented by the Stargate project are expected. For those who want a skeptical & cynical view: if remote viewing works, it would be part of the sta…

Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/808/

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

#92

I am amazed that people take Hal Puthoff at his word that he has worked on all these secret projects for decades even though he cannot describe in definitive terms what the actual outcomes of those programs were. But he is able to talk about them for hours in the vaguest terms possible. How is that even possible. I mean I worked for an aerospace company for 5 years and could go into great and boring detail about what…

> I am amazed that people take Hal Puthoff at his word that he has worked on all these secret projects for decades even though he cannot describe in definitive terms what the actual outcomes of those programs were.

This is one hundred perfect my view on this, and things are more than suspicious when suddenly being asked to get into the weeds on some technical aspect these guys start citing national security to keep things vague.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

#93
post #44

For those who want to consider the mundane explanation about remote viewing: remember that humans can still be surprised by the birthday paradox and other synchronicities that occur when sampling data at large scale. So across thousands of sessions, the weak coincidences documented by the Stargate project are expected. For those who want a skeptical & cynical view: if remote viewing works, it would be part of the sta…

> For those who want a skeptical & cynical view: if remote viewing works, it would be part of the standard strategy of every hedge fund.

Please don't use the efficient capitalism argument. By that logic, if polio vaccines worked then why didn't 1940s pharma companies sell polio vaccines back when people were getting polio?

Remote viewing is bunk, but not because hedge funds in their omniscience have determined it to be unprofitable.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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I always thought this was interesting. May 15, 1987: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R0017000... May 17, 1987: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident

https://archive.org/details/cia-readingroom-document-cia-rdp...

More info:

http://shpenkov.com/pdf/microleptonsEng.pdf

Odd patent:

https://patents.google.com/patent/RU99109282A/en

I don't understand this at all.

It's like trying to understand QM before Maxwell.

This is even more surreal:

https://remoteview.substack.com/p/a-phenomenological-model-o...

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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post #44

For those who want to consider the mundane explanation about remote viewing: remember that humans can still be surprised by the birthday paradox and other synchronicities that occur when sampling data at large scale. So across thousands of sessions, the weak coincidences documented by the Stargate project are expected. For those who want a skeptical & cynical view: if remote viewing works, it would be part of the sta…

Or certain knowledge is just not available for anyone. No matter how much power and money you have. There are a lot of areas that are buried underneath technology, while it is an innate ability to certain individuals. Most people do not really understand how their gadgets work or what they are capable of beyond what is advertised....

That, and psyops to saturate the channel, because it's considered a 'born secret', falling under the 'invention secrecy act' or equivalents elsewhere for reasons.

And lastly simple inability by most to perceive that, and other ESP/Psi stuff, maybe akin to so called aphantasia for people who can't visually imagine things.

Edit: Also Weapons of Class Disruption. Can't have that, ever.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with remote viewing as the CIA understood it was not that it didn’t work. By all means there are documents that indicated it did work. The difficulty however was that the training program was unreliable and insufficient to establish a reliable pipeline to competency like other military skills.

The "difficulty" with remote viewing is nonsense pseudoscience and crackpottery. It absolutely does not work. Not "unreliably", but not work at all. This reminds me of that one time on HN when someone tried to convince me that ritual witchcraft (I think they called it blood magic) on servers was a real thing, necessary to make them work, and my dismissal was typical of narrow minded people.

Dude claims “there are documents that indicated it did work”. You didn’t enquire about them, just completely dismissed it. That is indeed typical of narrow minded people.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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I am amazed that people take Hal Puthoff at his word that he has worked on all these secret projects for decades even though he cannot describe in definitive terms what the actual outcomes of those programs were. But he is able to talk about them for hours in the vaguest terms possible. How is that even possible. I mean I worked for an aerospace company for 5 years and could go into great and boring detail about what…

Why is it surprising that they can’t talk about it in concrete terms given “ all these people supposedly worked on things much more exotic”?

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

#99
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Before the evil Europeans set their greedy eyes on the new world there was peace, love, and ecstasy every single day. That's reading a lot into the other post.

“since Europeans first put eyes on it” seems to justify it pretty well.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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post #83
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's a "guarantee" that it wasn't backdated, but there isn't any evidence of that either.

Since backdating would be one of the ways to fake this, the onus lies in those that claim the prediction was legit. That's how evidence works for extraordinary claims. Alas, scientific rigor is a harsh master.

"extraordinary claims/extraordinary evidence" isn't scientific rigor, it's adding qualifiers to make the evaluation of the claim and evidence more subjective.
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