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Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA

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Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA

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Post by AlecSchueler »

jibal wrote: post #68

> “This study shows that paternal exercise can confer benefits — enhanced endurance and metabolic health — to offspring,” So good habits can be good for offspring. > For instance, mouse fathers exposed to nicotine(opens a new tab) sire male pups with livers that are good at disarming not just nicotine but cocaine and other toxins as well. So bad habits can be good for offspring. > “We just don’t have really any under…

If you ignore "good" and "bad" then it's just "traits can be passed through this mechanism" egg seems a lot more reasonable.

Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA

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Post by jibal »

exe34 wrote: post #87
jibal wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you're insulting boomers, and you just doubled down.

It was a self-deprecating joke which back-fired because nuance is lost on the internet. You got triggered, which is entirely human, but at this point, you're the one who is doubling down. Perhaps it's a good time to disconnect and enjoy some time with your family.

I didn't "down" in the first place, but "no you" is typical of your ilk. Your comment is dishonest denial of your ageist bigotry, an inability to take responsibility for your actions. And I don't take life advice from trolls, bigots, and the like.

I won't respond further.

Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA

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Post by jibal »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #83
jibal wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're talking about traits passed via DNA, which is nothing new ... this is quite different.

From the perspective of an individual breeder, they cannot know how much of a trait is from DNA or not. It may be more likely to be DNA-driven if you can prove that the trait is durable over many generations, in different environments. At least, that is my guess.

This completely misses the point.

Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA

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Post by wkat4242 »

websiteapi wrote: post #9

assuming this is true, perhaps it's best to freeze sperm regularly with labels that way if you go off the deep end you can snapshot quite literally your best self? some possible times - right before college, right after college, after you meet someone you think you'd marry (but before you do), after marriage. seems like a neat premise for a sci fi novella.

ehhhh I think before college would be highly preferable lol.

Though I've never had nor wanted kids in the first place anyway.

Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA

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Post by temp0826 »

sallveburrpi wrote: post #37
jjmarr wrote: post #24

> For instance, mouse fathers exposed to nicotine(opens a new tab) sire male pups with livers that are good at disarming not just nicotine but cocaine and other toxins as well. queue rationalist fathers microdosing nicotine patches before conception to give their kids the best chance at abusing drugs.

What does disarming mean here? I wound read it as “the drug has less effect” - so in that case you can better abuse these drugs if you are worse at “disarming” them I guess

"Hard headed", "not a cheap date", "not a lightweight"? Hard to say if increased tolerance is good or bad (especially if we're uncertain about how addictiveness/susceptibility to addictive behavior it passed)

Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA

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Post by jibal »

yes_man wrote: post #77
jibal wrote: post #68

> “This study shows that paternal exercise can confer benefits — enhanced endurance and metabolic health — to offspring,” So good habits can be good for offspring. > For instance, mouse fathers exposed to nicotine(opens a new tab) sire male pups with livers that are good at disarming not just nicotine but cocaine and other toxins as well. So bad habits can be good for offspring. > “We just don’t have really any under…

Theres huge uncertainty and layered assumptions in all of microbiology and biochemistry about how exactly things work on small scale. Because it is really hard to study live reactions in little things you can just barely see on an electron microscope. But yet humanity has managed to assert statistical truths about for example genetics and explain countless diseases, even cure and alleviate some. So even if you don’t…

I'm well aware of that. The point is that people are drawing all sorts of unwarranted conclusions from this lay report on early stage research.

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Post by stavros »

bjrobz wrote: post #64
jjmarr wrote: post #24

> For instance, mouse fathers exposed to nicotine(opens a new tab) sire male pups with livers that are good at disarming not just nicotine but cocaine and other toxins as well. queue rationalist fathers microdosing nicotine patches before conception to give their kids the best chance at abusing drugs.

ok now is my chance. what is this (opens new tab) phenomenon?!

Probably a screen reader callout.

Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA

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Post by bmacho »

sallveburrpi wrote: post #35
PeterHolzwarth wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding "jk" after a casual prejudiced insult to a demographic doesn't undo the prejudiced insult.

Which demographic was casually insulted here? The babies/third children?

:\ why are you pretending that you don't know how casual *-isms work.

In case you don't: "the baby acts like a boomer" is not insulting agaist third children, but it is casually ageist.

It is casually insulting, as in bringing a generally insulting framework into a different topic.

Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA

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Post by tsoukase »

I can imagine how difficult it would be to differentiate between nature and nurture in such human observations. An exercising vs smoking parent affects the child because of his RNA or his behaviour? Identical twins studies have their limitations in number of participants.
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