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ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Post by mindslight »

oceansky wrote: post #37
billy99k wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's not just illegal immigrants. They've been arresting and deporting legal ones and even citizens. Deporting to countries they never been to and foreign prisons where they cannot get out. I would love to hear how is this similar to COVID at all.

Well you see before Covid, Aunt Karen could waltz into the Olive Garden for "wine night" whenever she wanted, and could even threaten to leave a bad review and get half the bill comped (she didn't need the money but it was a nice power trip). During Covid, she had to make a reservation because half the tables were lOcKeD dOwN and when the hostess had the gall to tell her that she needed to wear something to cover her schnauze, the manager took the hostess's side. So you see in many ways it was much more oppressive than being made to tan outside all day at some sunny vacation resort.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

#92

Post by throw-12-16 »

mindslight wrote: post #90
bdangubic wrote: post #86

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yes, since uniformed people have gained legal rights to touch my junk in order for me to be allowed to board the plane (not to mention that they took my toothpaste twice) - every year since then. we have lost every ounce of freedom after 9/11 and this “madness” today is nothing new, we just take for granted now what our own “freedoms” have been reduced to

> this “madness” today is nothing new What is with this tendency to downplay the current drastic escalations? It feels like a kind of hipster denialism - "I was complaining about the US being a police state before it was cool" but also if it's this is "nothing new" then there's nothing to really earnest worry about, right? How hard is it to acknowledge that we have been gradually losing our rights AND that the Trumpi…

None of that changes the fact that the Patriot Act was the beginning of the militarized US police state.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Post by mindslight »

thegrim000 wrote: post #81

Every single story this user submits is political hate. Every comment they make is political hate. And yet they're a multi-year power account with over 10,000 karma. What is the justification for allowing such accounts to exist, other than the mods being complicit with it?

Political hate? But this article seems to be coming from the perspective of someone who loves their country and doesn't want it to be taken over by America-hating fascists?

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

#94

Post by mindslight »

throw-12-16 wrote: post #92
mindslight wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this “madness” today is nothing new What is with this tendency to downplay the current drastic escalations? It feels like a kind of hipster denialism - "I was complaining about the US being a police state before it was cool" but also if it's this is "nothing new" then there's nothing to really earnest worry about, right? How hard is it to acknowledge that we have been gradually losing our rights AND that the Trumpi…

None of that changes the fact that the Patriot Act was the beginning of the militarized US police state.

DEA? ATF? The fact that the "Patriot" Act was basically written and ready long before it was put up for a vote?

But of course now I'm on the other side of the argument. The point is that even though it's a long arc, this doesn't invalidate the current urgency. "Slow at first, then all at once"

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

#95

Post by scarecrowbob »

mindslight wrote: post #90
bdangubic wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, since uniformed people have gained legal rights to touch my junk in order for me to be allowed to board the plane (not to mention that they took my toothpaste twice) - every year since then. we have lost every ounce of freedom after 9/11 and this “madness” today is nothing new, we just take for granted now what our own “freedoms” have been reduced to

> this “madness” today is nothing new What is with this tendency to downplay the current drastic escalations? It feels like a kind of hipster denialism - "I was complaining about the US being a police state before it was cool" but also if it's this is "nothing new" then there's nothing to really earnest worry about, right? How hard is it to acknowledge that we have been gradually losing our rights AND that the Trumpi…

Well, I think the point it is even beyond "how many grains of sand is a pile," which seems like a legitimate point to me. If we don't understand how we got here, it's really hard to figure out hat to do, so pretending as if someone flipped a switch in January of 2025 is not helpful.

I say this as a person who has been pepper sprayed by DHS while resisting ICE:

the conditions to led to the current bonfire have a lot to do with centrist folks piling up wood as if could never be lit.

If you ignore how we got here you will be unable to understand where really are.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Post by throw-12-16 »

mikkupikku wrote: post #78
throw-12-16 wrote: post #69

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Where do you think QAnon and the Proud Boys started?

For every of those, there are a thousand more Trump voters who don't have anything to do with them. (Also, AFAIK the Proud Boys were started by an ex founder of Vice, and had little if anything to do with 4chan.) 4chan likes to take credit for everything that happens but they don't have any real power.

Youre right about the Proud Boys, but they were heavily amplified on 4chan.

QAnon 100% started on 4chan and was regularly making national headlines.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Post by throw-12-16 »

mindslight wrote: post #94
throw-12-16 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of that changes the fact that the Patriot Act was the beginning of the militarized US police state.

DEA? ATF? The fact that the "Patriot" Act was basically written and ready long before it was put up for a vote? But of course now I'm on the other side of the argument. The point is that even though it's a long arc, this doesn't invalidate the current urgency. "Slow at first, then all at once"

“All at once” was 2001 for a lot of people.

Latinos are the current targets, but they weren’t the first.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

#98

Post by throw-12-16 »

scarecrowbob wrote: post #95
mindslight wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this “madness” today is nothing new What is with this tendency to downplay the current drastic escalations? It feels like a kind of hipster denialism - "I was complaining about the US being a police state before it was cool" but also if it's this is "nothing new" then there's nothing to really earnest worry about, right? How hard is it to acknowledge that we have been gradually losing our rights AND that the Trumpi…

Well, I think the point it is even beyond "how many grains of sand is a pile," which seems like a legitimate point to me. If we don't understand how we got here, it's really hard to figure out hat to do, so pretending as if someone flipped a switch in January of 2025 is not helpful. I say this as a person who has been pepper sprayed by DHS while resisting ICE: the conditions to led to the current bonfire have a lot t…

Many of the people on this forum were the ones piling the wood.

The data harvesting of the US surveillance state was 100% enabled by SV.

Guys like Zuckerberg, Page, and Brin are modern day Oppenheimers in all the worst ways.

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