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iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

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Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

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Post by stefandesu »

aprilnya wrote: post #55
rikafurude21 wrote: post #45

Recently bought an apple watch for my mom and got it set up with her iphone. Almost instantly she notices that she cant accept WhatsApp calls on her watch, and after looking into it I found out that it was another one of those apple things where they assume youre obviously using facetime so that functionality isnt available for any other app. For context, in europe Whatsapp is the dominating messaging app and alot of…

Huh, with CallKit’s existence I would have assumed any app using CallKit would work on Watch…

Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. Third-party app calls don't go to the Watch. It's so annoying, I have to tell people to call me using regular phone calls or FaceTime instead of using Signal or WhatsApp because I always miss the latter ones.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

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Post by Y-bar »

kibbber wrote: post #82
Y-bar wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give an example regulation which has objectively been catastrophic and where there has been no clear attempts at amending or improving it.

I quoted a couple.

Please provide any tangible evidence that progressive taxation and prohibition on discrimination on the basis of race has been catastrophic.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

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Post by RicDan »

kibbber wrote: post #82
Y-bar wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give an example regulation which has objectively been catastrophic and where there has been no clear attempts at amending or improving it.

I quoted a couple.

Is this a bot account? Why is it green and spouting nonsense? There is nothing quoted in the previous comment

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

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Post by valesco »

blell wrote: post #51
stavros wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand people who defend Apple on this. The only reason I can imagine is that they're shareholders who don't use any Apple products, or shareholders who use exclusively Apple products and can't understand what sort of poor scrub might want an accessory not made by them.

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Hopefully this uniquely American push for dysfunctional government stays on their side of the ocean.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

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Post by AnonC »

rikafurude21 wrote: post #45

Recently bought an apple watch for my mom and got it set up with her iphone. Almost instantly she notices that she cant accept WhatsApp calls on her watch, and after looking into it I found out that it was another one of those apple things where they assume youre obviously using facetime so that functionality isnt available for any other app. For context, in europe Whatsapp is the dominating messaging app and alot of…

Seems like you’d just need to set WhatsApp as the default calling app on iOS and make sure to install WhatsApp on the watch too. The ability to set another app as the default for calls has been around since early this year. Doesn’t this work?

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Post by AnonC »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #80
jwr wrote: post #36

I have no doubt that Gruber will find reasons why the EU is bad and regulation is bad. At this point it's rather amusing how Daring Fireball (and many other American media) rants against regulation, and in another post complains about how companies exploit users. Regulation is unfortunately necessary: the market isn't as magical as we would like it to be and competition is not a magic wand that makes everything good…

Gruber’s take on the USB-C stuff has been hilarious. All through that fiasco, where Apple was going through all sorts of twists and turns to avoid switching to USB-C, which was objectively better even if you’re an Apple partisan (given that I could carry a single charging cable for my Mac and Samsung phone, but not for my Mac and iPhone), he was going on and on about how the EU was killing creativity by forcing Apple…

Anecdotally, I’ve found Lightning to be a nice fit when plugged in (it’s got a nice “click”) and USB-C a bit flimsy and loose in comparison. YMMV.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

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Post by monerozcash »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #80
jwr wrote: post #36

I have no doubt that Gruber will find reasons why the EU is bad and regulation is bad. At this point it's rather amusing how Daring Fireball (and many other American media) rants against regulation, and in another post complains about how companies exploit users. Regulation is unfortunately necessary: the market isn't as magical as we would like it to be and competition is not a magic wand that makes everything good…

Gruber’s take on the USB-C stuff has been hilarious. All through that fiasco, where Apple was going through all sorts of twists and turns to avoid switching to USB-C, which was objectively better even if you’re an Apple partisan (given that I could carry a single charging cable for my Mac and Samsung phone, but not for my Mac and iPhone), he was going on and on about how the EU was killing creativity by forcing Apple…

> All through that fiasco, where Apple was going through all sorts of twists and turns to avoid switching to USB-C

Is there any evidence that "Apple was going through all sorts of twists and turns to avoid switching to USB-C"?

Apple worked to create the USB-C standard, was among the first to widely deploy it.

Apple fighting against a precedent where the EU would force them to switch everything to USB-C is strictly different from Apple going through all sorts of twists and turns to avoid switching to USB-C.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

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Post by monerozcash »

worldsavior wrote: post #35
heavyset_go wrote: post #32

Currently, on the AirPods side and not iOS side like the article covers, Apple breaks Bluetooth feature parity with other devices by not sticking to the Bluetooth spec with AirPods themselves. For example, you need to root and patch your Bluetooth stack on your phone if you want to use all of your AirPods features on Android, and not because Android is doing something wrong, it's because the Android Bluetooth stack a…

They do this on purpose if you didn't get it. Google will never "fix" this issue because they follow the spec. They shouldn't have to add an exception for AirPods.

> Google will never "fix" this issue because they follow the spec. They shouldn't have to add an exception for AirPods.

This seems to go against how OS development (and perhaps consumer software in general, just think about browsers!) works in reality, it's just piles of exceptions on top of exceptions for weird hardware.

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Post by littlestymaar »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #89
jwr wrote: post #36

I have no doubt that Gruber will find reasons why the EU is bad and regulation is bad. At this point it's rather amusing how Daring Fireball (and many other American media) rants against regulation, and in another post complains about how companies exploit users. Regulation is unfortunately necessary: the market isn't as magical as we would like it to be and competition is not a magic wand that makes everything good…

His business is too tied to being in Apple's good graces anyway to take him that seriously these days. In the past he's been given access well above a lot of bigger outlets and way above what a blog that size should have especially when most of his social media output is now on mastodon to an audience the fraction of his X size. All though I would say EU regulation has far more misses than hits, this and forcing Appl…

> were great but millions of man hours a year are burned navigating cookie banners on every website

Cookie banner are not, in fact, an obligation under GDPR. All you need to do to be GDPR compliant is “not collect and sell data to partners” and call it a day. Cookie banners are a loophole that the EC conceded to an ad industry that is addicted to tracking everyone all the time.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

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Post by littlestymaar »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #81
llmslave2 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a totally reasonable position that both regulation and companies exploiting users are wrong. And it's also entirely a moral assertion that markets should resolve to outcomes judged by members of some political apparatus. Likewise, the idea that a third party should interfere with economic relations between two consenting parties is also a moral judgement, not an absolute fact. Most arguments in favour of regulat…

Markets depend on regulations. Free market absolutists don’t know what they are talking about. The actual originators of market capitalism, most famously Adam Smith, but also proponents like Milton Friedman, had no such confusion. In reality, today’s free market absolutists don’t get their ideas from economists (even free market economists). Instead, they get their ideas from terrible mid 20th century novelists (I’ll…

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John Rogers
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