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Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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Post by dijit »

Legend2440 wrote: post #43
autoexec wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even collecting and sending all that data to the cloud is going to drain battery life. I'd really rather my devices only do what I ask them to than have AI running the background all the time trying to be helpful or just silently collecting data.

Copilot is just ChatGPT as an app. If you don't use it, it will have no impact on your device. And it's not sending your data to the cloud except for anything you paste into it.

So, the new AI features like recall don’t exist?

Windows is going more and more into AI and embedding it into the core of the OS as much as it can. It’s not “an app”, even if that was true now it wouldn't be true for very long. The strategy is well communicated.

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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Post by dpedu »

properbrew wrote: post #84
tracerbulletx wrote: post #75

This mostly just shows you how far behind the M1 (which came out 5 years ago) all the non Apple laptops are.

Was never really into Apple hardware (mainly the price), however I recently got an M1 Mac Mini and an iPhone for app development, and the inference speed for as you say, a 5 year old chip is actually crazy. If they made the M series fully open for Linux (I know Asahi is working away) I probably would never buy another non-M series processor again.

I got an M1 Mac Mini somewhat recently as well, to replace my ~2012 Mac Mini that I use as a media center PC. And frankly, it's overkill. Used ones can be had for $200-$300 USD, lower side with cosmetic damage. An absolute steal, IMO.

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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Post by MisterTea »

eleventyseven wrote: post #64
mattas wrote: post #61

See: "3D TVs are driving the biggest change in TVs in decades"

A lazy easy cheap shot. But do you deny these aspects from the article are not coming? Or won't be still here in 5 years? - Addition of more—and faster—memory. - Consolidation of memory. - Combination of chips on the same silicon. All of these are also happening for non AI reasons. The move to SoC that really started with the M1 wasn't because of AI, but unified memory being the default is something we will see in 5…

> The move to SoC that really started with the M1

No it did not. There were numerous SoC that came before it and was inevitable in this space.

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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Post by znpy »

mhitza wrote: post #86
znpy wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could get 128gb ram laptops from the time ddr4 came around: workstation class laptops with 4 ram slots would happily take 128gb of memory. The fact that nowadays there are little to no laptops with 4 ran slots is entirely artificial.

I was mussing this summer if I should get a refurbed Thinkpad P16 with 96GB of RAM to run VMs purely in memory. Now that 96GB of ram cost as much as a second P16.

I feel you, so much. I was thinking of getting a second 64gb node for my homelab and i thought i’d save those money… now the ram alone cost as much as the node, and I’m crying.

Lesson learned: you should always listen to that voice inside your head that say: “but i need it…” lol

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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Post by technion »

eleventyseven wrote: post #64
mattas wrote: post #61

See: "3D TVs are driving the biggest change in TVs in decades"

A lazy easy cheap shot. But do you deny these aspects from the article are not coming? Or won't be still here in 5 years? - Addition of more—and faster—memory. - Consolidation of memory. - Combination of chips on the same silicon. All of these are also happening for non AI reasons. The move to SoC that really started with the M1 wasn't because of AI, but unified memory being the default is something we will see in 5…

We just had a series of articles and sysadmin outcry that major vendors were bringing 8gb laptops back to standard models because of the ram prices. In the short term, we're seeing a reduction.

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Post by [deleted] »

eleventyseven wrote: post #64
mattas wrote: post #61

See: "3D TVs are driving the biggest change in TVs in decades"

A lazy easy cheap shot. But do you deny these aspects from the article are not coming? Or won't be still here in 5 years? - Addition of more—and faster—memory. - Consolidation of memory. - Combination of chips on the same silicon. All of these are also happening for non AI reasons. The move to SoC that really started with the M1 wasn't because of AI, but unified memory being the default is something we will see in 5…

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Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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Post by [deleted] »

eleventyseven wrote: post #64
mattas wrote: post #61

See: "3D TVs are driving the biggest change in TVs in decades"

A lazy easy cheap shot. But do you deny these aspects from the article are not coming? Or won't be still here in 5 years? - Addition of more—and faster—memory. - Consolidation of memory. - Combination of chips on the same silicon. All of these are also happening for non AI reasons. The move to SoC that really started with the M1 wasn't because of AI, but unified memory being the default is something we will see in 5…

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Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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Post by benbristow »

sandworm101 wrote: post #23
autoexec wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even collecting and sending all that data to the cloud is going to drain battery life. I'd really rather my devices only do what I ask them to than have AI running the background all the time trying to be helpful or just silently collecting data.

>> I'd really rather my devices only do what I ask them to Linux hears your cry. You have a choice. Make it.

Unfortunately still loads of hurdles for most people.

AAA Games with anti-cheat that don't support Linux.

Video editing (DaVinci Resolve exists but is a pain to get up and running on many distros, KDenLive/OpenShot don't really cut it for most)

Adobe Suite (Photoshop/Lightroom specifically, and Premiere for Video Editing) - would like to see Affinity support Linux but hasn't happened so far. GIMP and DarkTable aren't really substitutions unless you pour a lot of time into them.

Tried moving to Linux on my laptop this past month, made it a month before a reinstall of Windows 11. Had issues with WiFi chip (managed to fix but had to edit config files deep in the system, not ideal), Fedora with LUKS encryption after a kernel update the keyboard wouldn't work to input the encryption key, no Windows Hello-like support (face ID). Had the most success with EndeavourOS but running Arch is a chore for most.

It's getting there, best it's ever been, but there's still hurdles.

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