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Flock and Cyble Inc. weaponize “cybercrime” takedowns to silence critics

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Re: Flock and Cyble Inc. weaponize “cybercrime” takedowns to silence critics

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t think you’d observe anything different if it were violated. If the mods were in the practice of moderating like this, yes, it would almost certainly be noticed by someone whose post/comment got deleted. HN, like every other community on the Internet, relies on trust between the users and mods. If you don't trust them, you can always leave.

> it would almost certainly be noticed by someone whose post/comment got deleted Would it? HN has all sorts of sneaky punishments to keep people from noticing what's going on. Shadow bans, limiting how many comments you can post per day, sometimes outright refusing to serve you pages with a "Sorry." error, and even flagging isn't visible to the person whose comment got flagged. HN doesn't notify you in any way for an…

> HN has all sorts of sneaky punishments to keep people from noticing what's going on

Another way of putting this is that HN has very standard mechanisms in place to combat spam and other sources of low-signal comments.

> Shadow bans, limiting how many comments you can post per day

Like these.

> Sometimes outright refusing to serve you pages with a "Sorry." error,

This just sounds like downtime/server problems. Every site has them, and even the most law-abiding posters on HN will see that sometimes.

> even flagging isn't visible to the person whose comment got flagged.

Yes it is?

> HN doesn't notify you in any way for any of this.

This is by design; HN doesn't offer notifications of anything on its own. Besides, most platforms don't usually notify people of these things by default either?

> Even this account is shadowbanned - and this comment automatically flagged - because I had the audacity to create an account with a VPN, in a world where VPNs are a requirement for unrestricted Internet access for a growing number of people living in "democratic" countries. The only way I know this is through testing, of course, because HN gives no indication that your account will be shadowbanned on creation.

I don't think you need to be so indignant. VPNs are also abused. All of these mechanisms are tradeoffs for making HN one of the best sites I've ever been on for productive, intelligent discussion; and the mods are well aware of this and manage to balance it well. For example, you were still able to register, and you and I are still able to exchange comments. If you contribute to discussions (on an account you don't just throwaway) for a little while, the limitations go away.

Re: Flock and Cyble Inc. weaponize “cybercrime” takedowns to silence critics

#92
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t think you’d observe anything different if it were violated. If the mods were in the practice of moderating like this, yes, it would almost certainly be noticed by someone whose post/comment got deleted. HN, like every other community on the Internet, relies on trust between the users and mods. If you don't trust them, you can always leave.

> it would almost certainly be noticed by someone whose post/comment got deleted Would it? HN has all sorts of sneaky punishments to keep people from noticing what's going on. Shadow bans, limiting how many comments you can post per day, sometimes outright refusing to serve you pages with a "Sorry." error, and even flagging isn't visible to the person whose comment got flagged. HN doesn't notify you in any way for an…

>HN doesn't notify you in any way of this.

I'm not sure this is the supportive argument that you think it is, as HN doesn't notify users of anything akin to what you're discussing, be it positive or negative, ever. They don't have notifications whatsoever.

>Even this account is shadowbanned - and this comment automatically flagged...

No it's not. Edit: mea culpa, see response

>The only way I know this is through testing, of course...

How did you test this? Your single comment on a brand new account appears to be showing up just fine, as any new account would. Did you unflag your throwaway comment from a different account?

I get the feeling you pushed the boundaries of what was acceptable here at one point, and didn't like the result.

Re: Flock and Cyble Inc. weaponize “cybercrime” takedowns to silence critics

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post #92

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> it would almost certainly be noticed by someone whose post/comment got deleted Would it? HN has all sorts of sneaky punishments to keep people from noticing what's going on. Shadow bans, limiting how many comments you can post per day, sometimes outright refusing to serve you pages with a "Sorry." error, and even flagging isn't visible to the person whose comment got flagged. HN doesn't notify you in any way for an…

>HN doesn't notify you in any way of this. I'm not sure this is the supportive argument that you think it is, as HN doesn't notify users of anything akin to what you're discussing, be it positive or negative, ever. They don't have notifications whatsoever. >Even this account is shadowbanned - and this comment automatically flagged... No it's not. Edit: mea culpa, see response >The only way I know this is through test…

> No it's not.

It was, actually. New accounts' comments being flagged by default is, I'm fairly certain, very much a thing.

Re: Flock and Cyble Inc. weaponize “cybercrime” takedowns to silence critics

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Absolutely unacceptable behavior. Wild that Americans are so distracted by pointless social issues that they haven’t even realized the ruling elite are treating them like cattle. Absolutely pathetic.

And yet... many communities are in the process of ending their contracts and lawsuits are being filed against them?

Re: Flock and Cyble Inc. weaponize “cybercrime” takedowns to silence critics

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post #93
post #92

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>HN doesn't notify you in any way of this. I'm not sure this is the supportive argument that you think it is, as HN doesn't notify users of anything akin to what you're discussing, be it positive or negative, ever. They don't have notifications whatsoever. >Even this account is shadowbanned - and this comment automatically flagged... No it's not. Edit: mea culpa, see response >The only way I know this is through test…

> No it's not. It was, actually. New accounts' comments being flagged by default is, I'm fairly certain, very much a thing.

Ah, you must've vouched for it. :)

Odd, I don't remember that being a thing when I joined. Mine showed up a-okay.

Re: Flock and Cyble Inc. weaponize “cybercrime” takedowns to silence critics

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> With the new Divinity game in the works, I decided to do a run as Gale in BG3. I don't support this decision but I respect it. Curious what the Cloudflare HNers have to say about this debacle.

Everyone knows that it all hinges on why they’re being Gale. If they’re doing it so they can romance Shadowheart then it’s permissable.

You can romance Shadowheart as Laezel if you want and they hate each other at the start of the game. Don’t need Gale for that. You can “win” in act 1 with Gale though.

Re: Flock and Cyble Inc. weaponize “cybercrime” takedowns to silence critics

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I wonder if Flock + Cyble can be sued for fraud. There are 5 elements in a fraud: Misrepresentation of Fact Knowledge of Falsity Intent to Induce Reliance Justifiable Reliance Resulting Damages

Cloudflare would have to bring that suit since they were the ones defrauded. The site owners probably can't sue Cloudflare because of their contract. So the site owners probably have to go basic "tortious interference" and be ready to show actual damages.

Tortious interference with contract, cut and dry.

Re: Flock and Cyble Inc. weaponize “cybercrime” takedowns to silence critics

#98

This is a Y Combinator company? https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/flock-safety dang/tomhow, does Y Combinator have a code of ethics that comes into play when one of your funding recipients does something unethical and/or illegal like this?

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Re: Flock and Cyble Inc. weaponize “cybercrime” takedowns to silence critics

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post #84

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> One long-standing code is that they moderate YC companies less on HN, allowing criticisms like yours to stand: Well, that’s what dang says he does. There’s no transparency and no publicly available data that would demonstrate adherence to the rule. > To HN's credit I haven't seen this rule violated. I don’t think you’d observe anything different if it were violated.

> I don’t think you’d observe anything different if it were violated. If the mods were in the practice of moderating like this, yes, it would almost certainly be noticed by someone whose post/comment got deleted. HN, like every other community on the Internet, relies on trust between the users and mods. If you don't trust them, you can always leave.

> > I don’t think you’d observe anything different if it were violated.

> If the mods were in the practice of moderating like this, yes, it would almost certainly be noticed by someone whose post/comment got deleted.

“You” in the original was referring to avaer specifically, not the generic “you.” They were the ones making the observation on little to no data.

> HN, like every other community on the Internet, relies on trust between the users and mods.

This is exactly my point. One must trust (or more precisely have faith in) them, because claims like the one up-thread are impossible to verify.

Re: Flock and Cyble Inc. weaponize “cybercrime” takedowns to silence critics

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post #68

> The site’s only input fields accept license plate numbers (which are hashed client-side before transmission and cannot be harvested) License plates are trivially short, hashing them accomplishes no additional level of privacy if the hashes could be bruted in seconds on an antique GPU.

They have indexed publicly available data. The privacy was long gone before you even entered a license plate number. Or do you think other actors didn’t have the same data but without a frontend to show it to you?

Entering your licence plate into this site gives the operator your geodata/ip address tied back to your licence plate.
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