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Re: FVWM-95 (2001)

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Post by jeroenhd »

efdee wrote: post #29
jeroenhd wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The close button has always been there, you double clicked the top left menu button. That worked all the way until Microsoft started redoing window decorations in desktop mode with Windows 8.1, and even for a short period after. This was also copied into other X window control styles. Even today, a Motif replicates the Windows 1.0-3.11 top-left menu+close button.

It actually still works to this day. Doubleclick the top left menu button (the one with the app icon) and your window closes.

Only in win32 applications. When UWP and its successors arrived, the OS stopped providing that functionality. Some applications may still support it, but the automatic equivalence of double clicking the application icon to the close button was removed, because the application is mostly tasked with drawing these UI controls now.

Re: FVWM-95 (2001)

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

BeetleB wrote: post #11

I have fond memories of FVWM. I don't know where this was (Slashdot?), but back in the mid 2000's, someone posted a "Why are people not using FVWM? It's one of the most flexible window managers?", and linked to various people's FVWM setup. This led to a lot of folks (including me) switching to FVWM. I used it until switching to AwesomeWM around 2011. You can see some (fairly old!) screenshots here: https://fvwm-theme…

I used it on an IBM Workpad Z50 (WinCE device, really quite cute) booted into NetBSD. It had a fairly slow MIPS processor and 16MB of RAM but with a 1GB IBM Microdrive (spinning rust in a CF card format) and a wifi card (Orinoco Gold, recovered from a scrap supermarket barcode scanner gun) it made an awesome portable setup.

I believe taviso still posts on here. Pretty sure we chatted on IRC at some point. Anyway, it was taviso who had the coolest configs and that's where I got all my inspiration from, using it.

You know what? I might just fire it up on something, I'm sure I've got a netbook around here somewhere.

Re: FVWM-95 (2001)

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Post by hakfoo »

sombragris wrote: post #49

fvwm is still one of the default graphical environments in Slackware (even in -current), and fvwm95 came packaged for some time, too. Now fvwm95 is no longer part of the basic Slackware distribution but there's a SlackBuild for it: https://slackbuilds.org/repository/15.0/desktop/fvwm95/ I like the Win95 aesthetic, but I like a close relative, KDE1, better; and I have configured my Plasma 6 setup along these lines. Sc…

To me, the big aesthetic of early Qt/KDE1 is "Obvious Motif ripoff". Aside from the Win95/Warp style titlebars, if you don't have the big thick bevels and the distinct scroll bars, it's not quite right.

It really galls me that they removed the Motif style in Qt6, since I target that as my default look and feel. It gives a nice "This is expensive professional software with a codebase tracing back to the Reagan administration" vibe.

There are themes that come close in various attempts-- "Commonality" for Qt6/Kvantum, and some of the assets from NsCDE for GTK, but it feels like a pitched battle against design teams that desperately want to mimick whatever Apple is doing this week.

https://imgur.com/a/MWiFhkH

Re: FVWM-95 (2001)

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Post by 0ld »

alan-crowe wrote: post #65

I'm still using fvwm2 $ pkg info fvwm fvwm-2.6.9_4 Name : fvwm Version : 2.6.9_4 Installed on : Mon Dec 8 02:01:51 2025 GMT Origin : x11-wm/fvwm2 Architecture : FreeBSD:15:amd64 Very happy with it :-)

2.6.9 is around 6yo now. I had been procrastinating for too long too, with my almost 30yo fvwm2rc, but finally migrated to x11/fvwm3 last month. Wasn’t too complicated in the end

Re: FVWM-95 (2001)

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Post by 0xfeba »

incanus77 wrote: post #8

There's a nice theme for XFCE, Chicago95, that looks a lot like this as well and is quite good! https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95

I use this on my work machine, with Cortile for tiling.

Re: FVWM-95 (2001)

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

anthk wrote: post #90
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To each his own. I had a phase of emulating the classic W2K look, but like W95/98/ME all of this it feels too dark, dirty greyish for me now. Still in times of late KDE3 I then switched to https://store.kde.org/p/1100735/ but with different more colorful (soft pastel) icons which I can't remember the name of anymore, later then to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluecurve , but not like the ugly default depicted there.…

Noia icons maybe. On KDE3, I liked the Slick icon theme, it looked futuristic but grounded.

Nope. Primary. https://store.kde.org/p/1002483

I see system76 is doing something similar for their PopOS?

https://store.kde.org/p/1327259 / https://github.com/pop-os/icon-theme

It uses a semi-flat design with raised 3D motifs to help give depth to icons.

I remember Noia, they were too 'shiny/glassy' and 'playful' for me. Looked different and funny for a while, but unusable for daily driving. I prefer something more 'serious', unobstrusive, not distracting.

I see someone did a Noia KDE Reloaded in 2019: https://store.kde.org/p/1293856

For shiny things, these did work for me, for a while, or could, if I retried them again:

Faenza https://store.kde.org/p/1012545 ,

Faience https://store.kde.org/p/1012543 ,

Meliae https://store.kde.org/p/1012498 ,

Delft https://store.kde.org/p/1199881 , https://www.opendesktop.org/p/1169579 ,

but I'd rather go to something like Flat Remix instead.

https://store.kde.org/p/1012430 , https://drasite.com/flat-remix ,https://github.com/daniruiz/Flat-Remix

Hedera would look good, too, if not abandoned: https://store.kde.org/p/1207800 / https://gitlab.com/sixsixfive/Hedera-icons

If they were as comprehensive & complete as Breeze I'd go for Retrofukation https://store.kde.org/p/1012499 or IndigoMagic https://store.kde.org/p/1015788 instead.

But they aren't. So Breeze it is, which is bliss...

Re: FVWM-95 (2001)

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Post by fvwmuser »

fvwm95 was a fork of fvwm2 and has remained in that state, and never updated.

It was created at a time when the theming in fvwm was not as flexible, but it's completely possible to emulate all of fvwm95 in fvwm3, and behind the scenes, the application support in fvwm3 greatly outweighs the version of fvwm2 which fvwm95 wad forked from.

In other words, it remains a curio in fvwm's history, and that's where it should remain.

Re: FVWM-95 (2001)

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Post by jsrcout »

incanus77 wrote: post #8

There's a nice theme for XFCE, Chicago95, that looks a lot like this as well and is quite good! https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95

Wow, tried this in a VM and absolutely love it. Besides the nostalgia factor, there's just a concreteness and visibility to the UI elements that feels like it's been lacking in Linux desktop environments for a long time. Thinking about putting it on my home PC for a while. Might even throw caution to the wind and install it at work :-)

Re: FVWM-95 (2001)

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Post by anthk »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #96
anthk wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Noia icons maybe. On KDE3, I liked the Slick icon theme, it looked futuristic but grounded.

Nope. Primary. https://store.kde.org/p/1002483 I see system76 is doing something similar for their PopOS? https://store.kde.org/p/1327259 / https://github.com/pop-os/icon-theme It uses a semi-flat design with raised 3D motifs to help give depth to icons. I remember Noia, they were too 'shiny/glassy' and 'playful' for me. Looked different and funny for a while, but unusable for daily driving. I prefer something more '…

I'd love the Tango2 icon theme being updated. It was like the old Tango one but slightly more current.
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