LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted • Hacker News Board

Re: LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted

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Post by varispeed » Sat, Dec 13, 2025, 5:22 PM UTC

jitl wrote: post #29

We need a Framework-style company making TVs. Get the OLED panels from whoever makes them wholesale, spend on a beautiful enclosure / design, add just enough software to calibrate the image and switch between HDMI inputs with HDMI-CEC. Sell a premium soundbar as an add-on instead of including speakers in the base device. I think a brand like Sonos could make a killing in this market selling a premium dumb tv to high…

We need regulators that look after interests of tax payers and not after who pays for regulator's yachts.

Re: LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted

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Post by jitl » Sat, Dec 13, 2025, 5:24 PM UTC

varispeed wrote: post #91

jitl wrote: post #29

We need a Framework-style company making TVs. Get the OLED panels from whoever makes them wholesale, spend on a beautiful enclosure / design, add just enough software to calibrate the image and switch between HDMI inputs with HDMI-CEC. Sell a premium soundbar as an add-on instead of including speakers in the base device. I think a brand like Sonos could make a killing in this market selling a premium dumb tv to high…

We need regulators that look after interests of tax payers and not after who pays for regulator's yachts.

Well I’m not sure if you can regulate having good design and user experience. Certainly the ability to roll back updates and enforcing privacy though.

Re: LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted

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Post by lagniappe » Sat, Dec 13, 2025, 5:30 PM UTC

traverseda wrote: post #9

stevesimmons wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I going mad or do some of those old.reddit comments slope downhill?

No, the subreddit has applied custom css to do that. It's the mildly infuriating subreddit. There's also an image of a hair visible on widescreen monitors, to make you think there's a hair on your display.

try eddrit.com

Re: LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted

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Post by DaiPlusPlus » Sat, Dec 13, 2025, 5:30 PM UTC

542458 wrote: post #67

3RTB297 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hitch is that it would be more expensive, making it a "premium" product and limiting the market. Smart TV pricing typically includes subsidies based on the assumed data sales from each user over the lifetime of the device.

I really doubt the user data for a smart tv user is all that valuable. Meta has infinitely more rich data and an entire tightly optimized ad system and is on a platform where people commonly make large purchases and makes around $10 per user per year.

> I really doubt the user data for a smart tv user is all that valuable.

According to a 2021 article about Vizio's user-hostile advert display devices, they boast of an average revenue of $13/yr - up from $7.30/yr, though consider this was 2020 when more people were at-home watching TV instead of going outside, meeting people, touching grass, the usual.

https://deadline.com/2021/03/vizio-smart-tv-streaming-ipo-12...

> A range of advertising opportunities drive revenue, including revenue sharing with programmers and distribution partners as well as activations on the device home screen. In the fourth quarter of 2020, the company said average revenue per user on SmartCast was $12.99, up from $7.31 in the same period of 2019.

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If you'll allow me to make an arbitrary assumption that a new TV set bought today will last about 10 years, then $13/yr means the advertising revenue implies Vizio has reduced the sale-price of their TVs by $130 compared to before we had no-opt-out advertising displayed on our own property as a condition for the privilege of using said device.

Re: LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted

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Post by juliusceasar » Sat, Dec 13, 2025, 5:33 PM UTC

kstrauser wrote: post #72

jwr wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The management of reddit doesn't seem to use reddit at all and they seem to be unaware of the fact that a) the "new" layout just isn't that great, and b) their mobile app is terrible. They killed third-party apps, which were way better than their garbage app and they don't seem to realize how much it annoys their users.

I thank them for that, because forcing me back to their horrid app broke me of my habit of hanging out there. I’ve got six digits of karma, and I’d rather walk away than suffer through its awful UI.

As a none user; what is a karma? Fantasy points?

Re: LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted

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Post by a2128 » Sat, Dec 13, 2025, 5:34 PM UTC

What is legitimately the expected use case for Copilot on a TV?

TVs are for consuming video. As far as I know, Copilot doesn't generate videos yet, and it certainly won't be possible or cheap enough to generate anything on the level of TV shows or movies any time soon. So are they expecting people will sit in their living room home theater to... chat with Copilot... instead of doing it on their phone?

I genuinely can't come up with any realistic use case where it would be convenient or useful to use Copilot on a TV. It feels utterly deranged that they would put it there.

Re: LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted

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Post by sseagull » Sat, Dec 13, 2025, 5:37 PM UTC

traverseda wrote: post #9

stevesimmons wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I going mad or do some of those old.reddit comments slope downhill?

No, the subreddit has applied custom css to do that. It's the mildly infuriating subreddit. There's also an image of a hair visible on widescreen monitors, to make you think there's a hair on your display.

I went there and saw two hairs, and yeah thought it was a nice funny touch.

I then went back to HN and turns out one of the hairs was real and I needed to clean my laptop screen :)

Re: LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted

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Post by irilesscent » Sat, Dec 13, 2025, 5:37 PM UTC

syntaxing wrote: post #3

I think them sneaking in and turning on that LivePlus feature is far more nefarious. The fact they can track whatever you watch and do to serve you personalized ads is insane.

This is matching the levels of surveillance in north Korea. They also have software that takes pictures of your screen every few seconds.

Re: LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted

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Post by jtokoph » Sat, Dec 13, 2025, 5:38 PM UTC

juliusceasar wrote: post #95

kstrauser wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thank them for that, because forcing me back to their horrid app broke me of my habit of hanging out there. I’ve got six digits of karma, and I’d rather walk away than suffer through its awful UI.

As a none user; what is a karma? Fantasy points?

Yes. It’s profile points. You earn one per upvote on your content. Just like here on HN

Re: LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted

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Post by joecool1029 » Sat, Dec 13, 2025, 5:45 PM UTC

Neywiny wrote: post #2

As a proud member of the LGTV community (yes I'm making 2 of those kinds of jokes back to back, fight me), and an occasional reddit user, I'm both horrified by the notion of getting this update and thrilled people are still using old.reddit.com. The new layout, which isn't even new anymore, still falls very short for it I'm looking something up and it's buried in a comment thread where ctrl-f can't find it.

> thrilled people are still using old.reddit.com

I noticed a day or two ago they quietly turned on the 'show new reddit as default' preference option, it was still possible to change default back but they won't stop pushing it.