Good. Unsurprising (well, known), but good. In fact, the world would be a better place if the US would not use their influence to try to keep other countries down.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
The player has the power to change the game.
DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says
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#92Good. Unsurprising (well, known), but good. In fact, the world would be a better place if the US would not use their influence to try to keep other countries down.
"In fact, the world would be a better place if the US would not use their influence to try to keep other countries down." acting like china wouldn't doing the same thing to other country if they ever weld such position every great power would do the same thing to defend their position, its not unique to the US. only because current incumbent power is we see things this way
If I don't make the world worse then someone else will is such a depressing state of affairs.
If that's the mentality, then what's worth fighting over? We should give up because we don't even deserve the rewards.
Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says
#93What's strange in this discussion of chips and export bans is there's been zero discussion of cloud access, I guess networked computers are difficult for America's gerontocrats to understand. I've rented H100s no problem on American servers and there's no KYC or anything, they let anybody do it.
I don't think DeepSeek could do that in the volume they need
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#94If the companies which are officially banned from owning these products already own them, what does it say about recent initiatives to unban Nvidia sales in China?
If demand of companies like deepseek has already been served, will they buy significant volume of additional products from nvidia once it is "legal" again?
It feels like the initiative of US politics to unblock nvidia China sales might not be very fruitful.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
People with Chinese names do sometimes live in Delaware.
With their profile in Australia?
While this is likely what the op was suggesting,
I would like to point out that in Australia and NZ, it can be a massive pain to find someone who will ship internationally.
Normally this is for things like Amazon US, and other US-based companies. There are services[1][2] that advertise virtual postal addresses in your purchase-country where they’ll box and ship it to you.
So yes, a Chinese name based in Australia with a shipping address in the US isn’t immediately a red flag. Lots of Chinese in Australia and NZ, and lots of people here like to use shipping services like this.
1. https://www.nzpost.co.nz/tools/you-shop
2. https://www.choice.com.au/shopping/online-shopping/buying-on... (Scroll to bottom)
Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says
#96Sanctions just slightly increase the cost of obtaining an item, but don't make it impossible. Electronic components can be bought, oil can be sold, ChatGPT can be used via OpenRouter, sanctioned banks publish their apps under guise into App Store, etc. When there are 200 countries in the world, and money involved, you can get anything. Sanctioned goods could be used to spread propaganda though, imagine, for example,…
This. And it should be obvious. Drugs are banned and illegal in almost every country, yet they reach the US in vast amounts. Why would a ban on GPUs suddenly work - especially since owning a truckload of GPU is perfectly legal in most countries. Smuggling them to where the demand is, is probably easier than smuggling drugs.
great thinking, that must be why the ccp doesn't care about this policy
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#97Anyone interested in the topic of whether the US can stay ahead of China should ask AI to explain to them the Chinese concepts of 空降美国人 and 美宝.
These concepts are the reason why during some periods flights to the US have had an uncanny number of pregnant women and flights back to China have had an uncanny number of newborn babies.
Now these babies are adults with US citizenship, with some who returned to the US after primary school and became fully fluent native English speakers, and some of whom may be thoroughly culturally loyal to the Chinese communist party. And 100% hireable by top US AI firms and working there as we speak.
It’s staring everyone right in the face, but it’s taboo to talk about, because people conflate concerns about cultural loyalty with racism.
I don’t dislike these people. I welcome them. I also hope they will learn the value of freedom and (representative) democracy. btw Taiwan is a litmus test. (If you are one of the people I’m speaking about, and you think it would be great if the CCP could take over Taiwan, your values are not aligned with freedom and democracy.)
The point is it’s just silly to think we can stay ahead of China. Some of their best researchers are embedded in some of our best teams.
Keeping the technology from our best researchers is not going to work imho. The only avenue I see is to try to culture hack the AI efforts, and maybe most of the researchers, to be well aligned as we go.
Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says
#98What's strange in this discussion of chips and export bans is there's been zero discussion of cloud access, I guess networked computers are difficult for America's gerontocrats to understand. I've rented H100s no problem on American servers and there's no KYC or anything, they let anybody do it.
I mean, I thought the paranoia was about China making their own models with their own chips. If they're renting USA models via the cloud, that's "good".
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chinese government recently banned Chinese companies from buying Nvidia chips.
Yup, the change was in the news in September https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/09/china-blocks-sal...
That’s not a ban of nvidia chips though. It’s for a few of the biggest companies, and is specifically telling them not to buy a made-for-china SKU:
> The Cyberspace Administration of China (CAC) told companies, including ByteDance and Alibaba, this week to end their testing and orders of the RTX Pro 6000D, Nvidia’s tailor-made product for the country, according to three people with knowledge of the matter
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
License leases, this is what they can do. You log into the Nvidia Enterprise Portal and download a license file that is temporary valid (e.g. 7 days) and bound to the specific serial numbers. You transfer that file to your local license (DLS) server. It does not need to be permanently connected to the internet, but it needs to be refreshed periodically. Your local server now holds the tickets that the GPUs need to us…
A new opportunity for my new business: a datacenter right off the Chinese border with a VPN tunnel into China!
Better run "Super AI company LLC" from Singapore, download the tickets, send them by email, and run it in China