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NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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Post by rayiner »

dangus wrote: post #79
frankest wrote: post #58

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EV self-driving shuttles you can take on demand so nobody needs to keep a car

Or, how about this, connect them together and put them on rails to reduce friction. You could even run them separate from the street with raised platforms for accessibility and sometimes even run them underground. We could call this something like “underway” or “steel beam connect-o-cars”

No, individualized point to point travel is better. I just got back from Tokyo and Taipei, which have transit systems better than any European country. And it was still faster to Uber everywhere.

Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

nickv wrote: post #63
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #52

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Most people driving into the city aren’t parking in Manhattan. When I was living in west Chester county, I would drive in into midtown and always find street parking near Columbia, free. I was surprised how easy it was to drive into the city because I heard lots of stories that it wasn’t. No tolls either.

I'm confused, if you lived in Westchester and were parking by Columbia why would you be in Midtown? Mind you, it's still like $14-$22 to cross the GWB and if you parked by Columbia after driving down from Westchester you don't have a congestion charge to worry about.

I’m not sure, I’m a bit hazy about the names, it was a dormitory, I never actually saw the school. The dormitory wasn’t on campus. We were interning at IBM Hawthorne at the time and my friend was living at a Columbia dorm and commuting. Sometimes when I took the train the nearest train line stop (to get back to Hawthorne) was Harlem.

Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

afavour wrote: post #86
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #42

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This mostly commuters and tradesmen. You aren’t going to get your tools on the train, snd you are driving into the city from white plains or somewhere similar.

Tradesmen pass the charge onto their customers. Commuters already have to pay huge parking fees, by comparison the congestion charge is small change.

Ya, definitely, I didn’t mean to imply otherwise.

Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #49
energy123 wrote: post #30

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Poor people are forced by circumstance to live in the busiest areas so they will get the biggest health benefits and many do not own cars and often do not even own a car space, so I would beg to differ. You can also offset the regressive nature of this taxation (if any) by putting the revenue into subsidizing public infrastructure like rail and bus.

Isn’t it the opposite though? The poor aren’t able to live in the most popular busiest areas, and usually have to live on the fringes of the city. They might train in though. This is mostly going to benefit the rich people who can still afford to live in the city, but with rent control there are still some non-rich people in the city.

It is both. People forget that probably a third of all housing in the congestion zone is rent-controlled or public housing.

Half of households in the congestion zone are living at or below 3x federal poverty level ($70K for a family of three). One in six residents makes $20K or less a year.

Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

milesskorpen wrote: post #65
frankest wrote: post #58

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EV self-driving shuttles you can take on demand so nobody needs to keep a car

EVs help with air pollution & congestion, but a huge part of the AQI impact of cars is tires, and I don't think there's a solution for that yet short of "fewer cars"

How do EVs help with congestion

Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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Post by Aloisius »

milesskorpen wrote: post #65
frankest wrote: post #58

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EV self-driving shuttles you can take on demand so nobody needs to keep a car

EVs help with air pollution & congestion, but a huge part of the AQI impact of cars is tires, and I don't think there's a solution for that yet short of "fewer cars"

I thought the tire wear particulates being a huge source of particulate air emissions was an overestimate due to misunderstanding and misquotation of primary literature by secondary literature used by regulatory agencies.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.estlett.4c00792

Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

hammock wrote: post #15
1970-01-01 wrote: post #2

The fact that tolls are now directly useful to the entire public must not be underappreciated. This is good news for everyone.

They better be. No one’s rooting for the smog, but a congestion tax is pretty regressive (hurts poorer people more)

Poorer people disproportionately take public transit.

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

renewiltord wrote: post #44
hammock wrote: post #15

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They better be. No one’s rooting for the smog, but a congestion tax is pretty regressive (hurts poorer people more)

Many things hurt the poor more, because there are many things that the poor do that have negative externalities that cannot be compensated for by the productivity of the poor. Strict enforcement against violent crime is pretty regressive in that more poor people are incarcerated when this is done. Others are that strict enforcement of traffic laws is pretty regressive; paid parking is regressive; as are fares for bus…

> Officer ASVAB score requirements are regressive

Used to be that you had to purchase an officer's commission...

Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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Post by rayiner »

jjj123 wrote: post #89
Invictus0 wrote: post #88

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The MTA is billions in the red because it overpays the union workers and fails to commercialize the stations

I simply do not care if my public services are “in the red”. Let’s make them entirely in the red, please.

The point is that the MTA is deeply in the red even though it still charges significant fares. Meanwhile, systems like the London Tube manage to recover at least their operating costs without charging fares that are much if at all higher.

Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

milesskorpen wrote: post #65
frankest wrote: post #58

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EV self-driving shuttles you can take on demand so nobody needs to keep a car

EVs help with air pollution & congestion, but a huge part of the AQI impact of cars is tires, and I don't think there's a solution for that yet short of "fewer cars"

How do EVs help with congestion? They take up the same amount of space as an ICE car.
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