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Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban

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Re: Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban

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post #73

RIP freedom of speech, freedom of association and freedom of the press.

Just online, which has been a bad idea from day one due to the evertrending centralization of the Internet, the primary catalyst thereof being people's laziness. Offline, it still exists.

Re: Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban

#93

Besides this being ineffective for the motivated, it might have a subtle antitrust effect. As kids find alternative platforms, perhaps they will be vendor locked to them instead of the Meta empire.

I think you're 180° backwards on that.

How many alternative platforms are there really going to be that can afford to develope and operate the legally-mandated age-detection ML-models?

Especially after the bureaucrats see that the law isn't working and start looking for scapegoats without massive lawyer teams to make an example of

Re: Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban

#96

Why ban social media when ad-supported media is the culprit? Remove the incentive (to get users to doom scroll, to polarize, to impulse buy…) and you change the behavior. I remember when social media was sane 15+ years ago. The problem is the business model, not socializing. It's crazy to ban it when being a teen is the beginning of socializing!

I remember when Facebook required a university address. That made it..unique to me. Perhaps there are ways to have a permitting process for kids through their parents and guardians that only access sites with that permit. Idk. South Korea has those internet license which I chaff at but.. It's a hard problem.

Re: Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban

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Why ban social media when ad-supported media is the culprit? Remove the incentive (to get users to doom scroll, to polarize, to impulse buy…) and you change the behavior. I remember when social media was sane 15+ years ago. The problem is the business model, not socializing. It's crazy to ban it when being a teen is the beginning of socializing!

Decades ago, there was less competition for eyeballs, much more high-quality content (vs. slop), and investors were a bit willing to just build an audience without seeking immediate returns. Early social media was aspirin: a useful drug, but not addictive. Now it's super-cocaine and hyper-meth trying to keep the user high.

Also, what's an 'ad' is an extreme spectrum nowadays with free stuff given out in exchange for a post, people trying to act like paid influencers to fake it until they make it, paid influencers, and listicle affiliate link slop.

Re: Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban

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post #8

Quite a decisive move by the Australian government. I don't know if it's a move in the right direction or not but the research clearly shows that around the time social media became mainstream, teens' and preteens' mental health took a nosedive (Especially girls).

maybe it's a step in the right direction but you can't regulate away ALL parenting. I know kids in the 5th grade getting brand new Iphone 17s! i've even seen one kid at the age of 7, getting their own Ipad. some parents even force their kids to use play on their iphone, just so they don't have to keep an eye on their kid anymore. My jaw really dropped to the floor on that one. at some point, you just have to say that…

> you can't regulate away ALL parenting

This is absolutely true. However, when you do away with the kind of regulation a healthy society needs, you can't then blame everything on parents.

Regulation has been presented as a bad thing for a long time now, even though it's what cleaned up our rivers that used to catch on fire. Just like taxes have been presented as a bad thing, even though they paid for all the public infrastructure we use every day.

As a society, we've lost a vision for the middle ground. It sure feels like we need to find it again, and the sooner the better.

Re: Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban

#99
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How come ad supported TV existed for decades without destroying children's mental health? The algorithms create the engagement, the engagement lures in the ads, not the other way around, at least that's what I think right now.

Well arguably TV did destroy people's brains, just a lot slower and less efficiently. And in fairness, dosage is the difference between a painkiller an a heroin addiction.

It's worth noting that this was a pretty active debate as TVs were going from one in the household to one in every room. "We don't want to put a TV in our kids' room, it'll rot their brains." And there was research to back up that it had a negative effect to some degree.

So why are we surprised that when we put a TV in the kids' hands things got even worse? Meta testified on the stand recently that they're not a social media company anymore, they're now all about video. Tiktok is the new TV. Every app wants to Tiktokify. The money from TV, just pushing an endless stream of video to someone, is very good.

Re: Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban

#100

Why ban social media when ad-supported media is the culprit? Remove the incentive (to get users to doom scroll, to polarize, to impulse buy…) and you change the behavior. I remember when social media was sane 15+ years ago. The problem is the business model, not socializing. It's crazy to ban it when being a teen is the beginning of socializing!

Yeah, ad-driven feeds definitely pushed platforms into the doom-scrolling feedback loop. But for better or worse, governments don't really know how to regulate "the business model" without blowing up the whole internet economy
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