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Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by jstummbillig »

willahmad wrote: post #58
simonw wrote: post #33

llm install llm-mistral llm mistral refresh llm -m mistral/devstral-2512 "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" https://tools.simonwillison.net/svg-render#%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D... Pretty good for a 123B model! (That said I'm not 100% certain I guessed the correct model ID, I asked Mistral here: https://x.com/simonw/status/1998435424847675429 )

I think this benchmark could be slightly misleading to assess coding model. But still very good result. Yes, SVG is code, but not in a sense of executable with verifiable inputs and outputs.

I love that we are earnestly contemplating the merits of the pelican benchmark. What a timeline.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by kevin061 »

esafak wrote: post #17

Less than a year behind the SOTA, faster, and cheaper. I think Mistral is mounting a good recovery. I would not use it yet since it is not the best along any dimension that matters to me (I'm not EU-bound) but it is catching up. I think its closed source competitors are Haiku 4.5 and Gemini 3 Pro Fast (TBA) and whatever ridiculously-named light model OpenAI offers today (GPT 5.1 Codex Max Extra High Fast?)

The OpenAI thing is named Garlic.

(Surely they won't release it like that, right..?)

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by moffkalast »

Looks like another Deepseek distil like the new Ministrals. For every other use case that would be an insult, but for coding that's a great approach given how much lead in coding performance Qwen and Deepseek have on Mistral's internal datasets. The Small 24B seems to have a decent edge on 30BA3B, though it'll be comparatively extremely slow to run.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by reachtarunhere »

embedding-shape wrote: post #63
johanvts wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you try Aider?

I did, although a long time ago, so maybe I need to try it again. But it still seems to be stuck in a chat-like interface instead of something tailored to software development. Think IDE but better.

If your goal is to edit code and not discuss it aider also supports a watch mode. You can keep adding comments about what you want it to do in a minimal format and it will make changes to the files and you can diff/revert them.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by kouteiheika »

badsectoracula wrote: post #60
Arcuru wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I really like the normalization of these "Permissively" licensed models that only restrict companies with massive revenues from using them for free. If you want to use something, and your company makes $240,000,000 in annual revenue, you should probably pay for it.

These are not permissively licensed though, the terms "permissive license" has connotations that pretty much everyone who is into FLOSS understands (same with "open source"). I do not mind having a license like that, my gripe is with using the terms "permissive" and "open source" like that because such use dilutes them. I cannot think of any reason to do that aside from trying to dilute the term (especially when some…

> I do not mind having a license like that, my gripe is with using the terms "permissive" and "open source" like that because such use dilutes them. I cannot think of any reason to do that aside from trying to dilute the term (especially when some laws, like the EU AI Act, are less restrictive when it comes to open source AIs specifically).

Good. In this case, let it be diluted! These extra "restrictions" don't affect normal people at all, and won't even affect any small/medium businesses. I couldn't care less that the term is "diluted" and that makes it harder for those poor, poor megacorporations. They swim in money already, they can deal with it.

We can discuss the exact threshold, but as long as these "restrictions" are so extreme that they only affect huge megacorporations, this is still "permissive" in my book. I will gladly die on this hill.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

esafak wrote: post #17

Less than a year behind the SOTA, faster, and cheaper. I think Mistral is mounting a good recovery. I would not use it yet since it is not the best along any dimension that matters to me (I'm not EU-bound) but it is catching up. I think its closed source competitors are Haiku 4.5 and Gemini 3 Pro Fast (TBA) and whatever ridiculously-named light model OpenAI offers today (GPT 5.1 Codex Max Extra High Fast?)

No this is comparable to Deepseek-v3.2 even on their highlight task, with significantly worse general ability. And it's priced 5x of that.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by johnfn »

embedding-shape wrote: post #62
pdntspa wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But where are the professional tools, meant to be used for people who don't want to do vibe-coding, but be heavily assisted by LLMs? Something that is meant to augment the human intellect, not replace it? Claude Code not good enough for ya?

Claude Code has absolutely zero features that help me review code or do anything else than vibe-coding and accept changes as they come in. We need diff-comparisons between different executions, tailored TUI for that kind of work and more. Claude Code is basically a MVP of that. Still, I do use Claude Code and Codex daily as there is nothing better out there currently. But they still feel tailored towards vibe-coding…

> Claude Code has absolutely zero features that help me review code

Err, doesn’t it have /review?

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by [deleted] »

baq wrote: post #77
simonw wrote: post #33

llm install llm-mistral llm mistral refresh llm -m mistral/devstral-2512 "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" https://tools.simonwillison.net/svg-render#%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D... Pretty good for a 123B model! (That said I'm not 100% certain I guessed the correct model ID, I asked Mistral here: https://x.com/simonw/status/1998435424847675429 )

but can it recreate the spacejam 1996 website? https://www.spacejam.com/1996/jam.html

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Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by fastball »

embedding-shape wrote: post #71
fastball wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

imo this is a hill people need to stop dying on. Open source means "I can see the source" to most of the world. Wishing it meant "very permissively licensed" to everyone is a lost cause. And honestly it wasn't a good hill to begin with: if what you are talking about is the license, call it "open license". The source code is out in the open, so it is "open source". This is why the purists have lost ground to practical…

> imo this is a hill people need to stop dying on. As someone who was born and raised on FOSS, and still mostly employed to work on FOSS, I disagree. Open source is what it is today because it's built by people with a spine who stand tall for their ideals even if it means less money, less industry recognition, lots of unglorious work and lots of other negatives. It's not purist to believe that what built open source…

You should stand up for your ideals, but dying on the hill of what you call your ideals is actually getting in the way of that.

Because instead of making the point "this license isn't as permissive as it could/should be" (easy to understand), instead the point being made is "this isn't real open source", which comes across to most people as just some weird gate-keeping / No True Scotsman kinda thing.

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