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Doctors' estimates of the feasibility of preserving the dying for future revival

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Re: Doctors' estimates of the feasibility of preserving the dying for future revival

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Post by IAmBroom »

pndy wrote: post #65
netsharc wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a news story about such a company where they basically throw the bodies in a chest freezer, or stuffed many of them together in one unit, etc. Nightmare fuel... I have doubts that such a company could keep the power on for the next 200 years, with an increasingly unstable planet (climatically and politically). Maybe sending your body in a lead coffin into the coldness of space is a better preservation method,…

Some 20 years ago French Planete documentary channel (back then that channel had some good stuff - often shocking, unlike Discovery that slowly marched towards flashy popsci, aliens and WW2) was showing this piece about cryonics, and there was a segment about company that did indeed went bankrupt. Bodies of their clients due to unpaid bills de-thawed and started decomposing. And since that happen there was nothing el…

Yes, the ice crystals destroying the integrity of a large portion of the cells throughout the body remains a tiny chink in the whole plan.

Fortunately, "future technology" handwaves all problems away.

Re: Doctors' estimates of the feasibility of preserving the dying for future revival

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Post by hollerith »

IAmBroom wrote: post #91
pndy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some 20 years ago French Planete documentary channel (back then that channel had some good stuff - often shocking, unlike Discovery that slowly marched towards flashy popsci, aliens and WW2) was showing this piece about cryonics, and there was a segment about company that did indeed went bankrupt. Bodies of their clients due to unpaid bills de-thawed and started decomposing. And since that happen there was nothing el…

Yes, the ice crystals destroying the integrity of a large portion of the cells throughout the body remains a tiny chink in the whole plan. Fortunately, "future technology" handwaves all problems away.

The ice crystal problem got solved decades ago.

Re: Doctors' estimates of the feasibility of preserving the dying for future revival

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Post by IAmBroom »

baxtr wrote: post #5

> Conclusions and Relevance: US physicians assigned a median 25.5% probability to preservation retaining neural information under ideal conditions in a manner potentially compatible with future patient revival. The majority support for pre-mortem anticoagulation and substantial support for pre-cardiac arrest initiation indicate that many physicians would consider accommodating patient requests for preservation-enhanc…

> though the speculative nature of the estimates warrants consideration.

Experts in a related field were asked to guess how successful something no one has ever done would be, if it could be done.

That's like asking a bunch of certified mechanics how fast George Jetson's flying car could go. I mean, there are mechanics in The Jetson's universe, so... same knowledge base, right?

Re: Doctors' estimates of the feasibility of preserving the dying for future revival

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Post by IAmBroom »

nyeah wrote: post #85
arielzj wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These were physicians who were being paid to complete surveys - no reason to think they were more likely to select/reject this one over any of the others available to them at the time.

. There's at least one reason. It's in the comment you responded to.

Two: the phrase "being paid".

Re: Doctors' estimates of the feasibility of preserving the dying for future revival

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Post by M95D »

apothegm wrote: post #89
M95D wrote: post #81

> preserving the dying for future revival What for? The economy doesn't need humans anymore.

Not to mention that it’s obviously ridiculous to do things for reasons other than economic or financial.

Yeah, that too! :)

Re: Doctors' estimates of the feasibility of preserving the dying for future revival

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Post by vintermann »

IAmBroom wrote: post #87
vintermann wrote: post #80

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And how can you trust the trust? We also have plenty of trusts which are questionably aligned with their makers last wills, among them the Nobel peace prize (Nobel didn't just want the prize to go to anyone working for any kind of advancement of peace. He had a very particular instrument for peace in mind, namely peace conferences, which I don't think any laureate has arranged for fifty years.) I think we have too ma…

The fact that we are talking about bodies supposedly preserved in a state of suspended animation, not yet really dead, refutes your premise.

Not sure what premise you mean. But I'm pretty sure not even the cryo-optimists pretends those people are not dead.

Re: Doctors' estimates of the feasibility of preserving the dying for future revival

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Post by SirMaster »

polishdude20 wrote: post #3

I thought about death the other day and how maybe it's akin to the feeling of going under before a surgery. When you go under and then wake up some hours later, often you feel like no time has passed at all. What if death is just that same feeling or lack thereof for Millenia, an infinite amount of time, but at some point from your perspective, you wake up instantly far in the future. Like a photon travelling for mil…

Not just surgery, but isn't that how you feel just after going to sleep at night or taking a nap? I guess as long as you don't have memory of your dreams from that time.

Re: Doctors' estimates of the feasibility of preserving the dying for future revival

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Post by gehwartzen »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #39
polishdude20 wrote: post #3

I thought about death the other day and how maybe it's akin to the feeling of going under before a surgery. When you go under and then wake up some hours later, often you feel like no time has passed at all. What if death is just that same feeling or lack thereof for Millenia, an infinite amount of time, but at some point from your perspective, you wake up instantly far in the future. Like a photon travelling for mil…

It's impossible to experience nothing. Spooky

You’ll never know that you died

Re: Doctors' estimates of the feasibility of preserving the dying for future revival

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Post by eudamoniac »

IAmBroom wrote: post #82
Gud wrote: post #75

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Not your fault your girlfriends dad was so out of shape a hike (potentially) killed him. He should have hiked more often.

Not his fault that he couldn't predict his daughter deciding to go on a hike alone, which triggered his parental protective mode.

It is his fault that he made choices which resulted in him being unable to perform basic tasks in life that he would reasonably be expected to sometimes do, such as walking outside.

Re: Doctors' estimates of the feasibility of preserving the dying for future revival

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Post by eudamoniac »

IAmBroom wrote: post #83
neetle wrote: post #44

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You do have a little fault here, but it’s marginal vs his lifetime choices, and his lack of understanding of his limits. There should be enough room for forgiveness in all of that. I get it, I got friends and family that have completed suicide and it’s hard to not think about what I could have done differently.

I really hate the fat-shaming going on here. Yeah, he died. Yeah, he was out of shape. He wanted to keep his daughter safe, and trying to do so cost him his life. He did something heroic. What have you done at that level of importance?

I have gone to the gym multiple times per week for many many years so that I can remain a physically capable parent to my children, and not inflict upon them my premature disablement or death.
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