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Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by muyuu »

bloqs wrote: post #82
walterbell wrote: post #4

https://tbot.substack.com/p/grapheneos-new-oem-partnership > GrapheneOS has officially confirmed a major new hardware partnership—one that marks the end of its long-standing Pixel exclusivity. According to the team, work with a major Android OEM began in June and is now moving toward the development of a next-generation smartphone built to meet GrapheneOS’ strict privacy and security standards.

I literally just bought a pixel this week. Just my luck.

probably good timing

this will take a while and RAM prices will be out of control for a while as well

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by lawn »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #65
tenthirtyam wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not knowledgeable enough -- what would it take to escape the Apple/Google duopoly? I'm imagining a future where you buy a smartphone and when you do the first configuration, it asks you which services provider you want to use. Google and Apple are probably at the top of the list, but at the bottom there is "custom..." where you can specify the IP or host.domain of your own self-hosted setup. Then, when you downlo…

> I'm not knowledgeable enough -- what would it take to escape the Apple/Google duopoly? At this point? Reliable emulation that can run 99% of Android apps, to provide a bridge until the platform is interesting enough for people to develop for it "natively". I think the easiest way to do that would be to run Android in a VM.

Similar to how Valve is managing the transition from Windows to Linux.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by dizhn »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #78
vbezhenar wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe that's the true problem. Booting operating system is not a problem. There's no standardized hardware abstraction layer in PC either, every OS brings their own set of drivers. My guess is that modern hardware is too complicated for one hacker to write reliable drivers. That wasn't the case back in the 90-s, when Linux matured. So we are at mercy of hardware manufacturers and they happened to not be int…

> My guess is that modern hardware is too complicated for one hacker to write reliable drivers. Modern hardware has turned our operating systems into isolated "user OS" nodes in the schematics, completely sandboxed away from the real action. Our operating systems don't really operate systems anymore. https://youtu.be/36myc8wQhLo

Excellent and scary video that I share myself all the time.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by luca020400 »

raggi wrote: post #88

Understaffed gift product wants 1 week cycles. OEMs want 2-4 month cycles. This is a perfect representation of the state of the software industry.

I don't think that's a fair comparison.

OEMs have quite a lot of extra steps before releasing any build to the public.

They have to pass xTS, the set of test suites required before getting certified by Google, possibly carrier certification, regulatory requirements and more depending on where the build will be released.

There are "quicker" release channels for security fixes, but I don't think it's common for OEMs to only ship those without any other change to the system.

I don't think Graphene does anything of sort, they take what's already certified in the Pixel builds and uses it. Not like they could do much aside testing on the public part of xTS.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by OsrsNeedsf2P »

nunobrito wrote: post #95

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> Lest alone to use a distro with opaque financing sources that fully endorses government developed/sponsored platforms such as Signal and Tor.

So you're against Signal, Tor, and Graphene, and suggest to instead use.. Lineage?

Don't get me wrong, I love Lineage, it was my first custom ROM, but this seems a little tinfoil

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by moooo99 »

YY876438726 wrote: post #79
walterbell wrote: post #4

https://tbot.substack.com/p/grapheneos-new-oem-partnership > GrapheneOS has officially confirmed a major new hardware partnership—one that marks the end of its long-standing Pixel exclusivity. According to the team, work with a major Android OEM began in June and is now moving toward the development of a next-generation smartphone built to meet GrapheneOS’ strict privacy and security standards.

Has the OEM in question been revealed yet? Likely not one of the major OEMs because they all lock their bootloaders. I'm crossing my fingers it's Fairphone but that's because I love my FP5. The GrapheneOS devs have been pretty harsh towards Fairphone because of their slow updates.

They seem to refuse that they're working with fairphone, so it seems unlikely.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/1o3vmn5/comment...

My guess is that its either HMD or Nothing. Will probably still take a while until we learn about this

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by charcircuit »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #65
tenthirtyam wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not knowledgeable enough -- what would it take to escape the Apple/Google duopoly? I'm imagining a future where you buy a smartphone and when you do the first configuration, it asks you which services provider you want to use. Google and Apple are probably at the top of the list, but at the bottom there is "custom..." where you can specify the IP or host.domain of your own self-hosted setup. Then, when you downlo…

> I'm not knowledgeable enough -- what would it take to escape the Apple/Google duopoly? At this point? Reliable emulation that can run 99% of Android apps, to provide a bridge until the platform is interesting enough for people to develop for it "natively". I think the easiest way to do that would be to run Android in a VM.

Why not run Android directly, such as using Graphene OS. It's decades ahead in both OS architecture, developer tools, and developers compared to non Android based Linux operating systems.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by charcircuit »

einpoklum wrote: post #48

... maybe, but it also drops support pretty fast, and not supported on most phones :-(

It supports devices just as long as the OEM does, which for modern Pixels is now 7 years, which is more than what Apple advertises for the iPhone. Considering people upgrade phones every 2 or 3 years, this is over double the amount of time of support than one would use the phone for. I disagree the support is for a short period of time.
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