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Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by dman »

mariusor wrote: post #80
dman wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have a history of not shipping. They took my money for a tablet pre-order but never shipped anything. Didnt offer refunds either.

They did offer refunds in the form of vouchers for their shop. I can understand if that's not something everyone is interested in, but it's not nothing. I made use of that successfully.

It wasnt offered to everyone. They did the whole thing by trickling out information based on batches based on when you ordered. And for the record I wasnt shipped a tablet, given a refund or offered a voucher and based on comments at the time I wasnt the only one. It was a total writeoff.

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#92

Post by jeffbee »

dijit wrote: post #73
mhitza wrote: post #18

47% percent of voters wanted a ~6" phone, and 12% of voters a ~7" phone. I guess me and the remaining 41% of voters are still left wishing for 5" phones to make a comeback.

Supply chain has left us. Since there's no new development happening with small phones, we'd have to settle for "older spec" screens (IE, new stock iPhone 5 screens, with none of the colour accuracy, frame-rate etc improvements from the last 10 years). People don't like "old spec", so they'd probably not buy those devices. If you're a small player, then you're downstream of the supply chain, you don't make the rules.…

You know what, that is exactly what Lenovo executives were telling their customers right up until the moment that Apple released Retina devices. Lenovo swore in a blog post that because of the overall panel market it was quite impossible to put an IPS display in a laptop, then a few days later Apple released a 221 DPI 15" IPS MacBook Pro.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by dijit »

SoftTalker wrote: post #89
dijit wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supply chain has left us. Since there's no new development happening with small phones, we'd have to settle for "older spec" screens (IE, new stock iPhone 5 screens, with none of the colour accuracy, frame-rate etc improvements from the last 10 years). People don't like "old spec", so they'd probably not buy those devices. If you're a small player, then you're downstream of the supply chain, you don't make the rules.…

> colour accuracy, frame-rate Absolutely irrelevant for what I do with a phone, and I'd wager that 90% of users would not notice the difference.

Are you really telling me that people wouldn't look at the spec-sheet and state (loudly) that they won't buy a phone because "in 2025 it doesn't even have 120fps"?

I don't believe you if that's the case.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

#94

Post by dijit »

jeffbee wrote: post #92
dijit wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supply chain has left us. Since there's no new development happening with small phones, we'd have to settle for "older spec" screens (IE, new stock iPhone 5 screens, with none of the colour accuracy, frame-rate etc improvements from the last 10 years). People don't like "old spec", so they'd probably not buy those devices. If you're a small player, then you're downstream of the supply chain, you don't make the rules.…

You know what, that is exactly what Lenovo executives were telling their customers right up until the moment that Apple released Retina devices. Lenovo swore in a blog post that because of the overall panel market it was quite impossible to put an IPS display in a laptop, then a few days later Apple released a 221 DPI 15" IPS MacBook Pro.

Apple definitely has the grunt I'm talking about to push the supply chain to change.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by dijit »

lvspiff wrote: post #75
mhitza wrote: post #18

47% percent of voters wanted a ~6" phone, and 12% of voters a ~7" phone. I guess me and the remaining 41% of voters are still left wishing for 5" phones to make a comeback.

What about those of us that were expecting an earpiece and glasses with AR for calling by now?

FYI, if you have an Apple Watch with LTE you can take facetime calls with it using your Airpods.

Feels kinda weird, definitely works.

(same for music)

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

#97

Post by mariusor »

wiseowise wrote: post #66
mariusor wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which proprietary blobs in Sailfish OS are worse than the others you were referring to?

Whole OS?

There are driver blobs for the underlying device which they can't do much about, and then there are the last vestiges of Lipstick (the Sailfish OS UI), which are not released under an open source license. That's hardly "the whole OS", since everything else is a plain linux distribution.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

#98

Post by m4rtink »

Paianni wrote: post #60
kogepathic wrote: post #32

Hard no on giving Jolla a cent. Jolla rug-pulled [1] people who crowd-funded [2] their tablet in 2014. Jolla used the crowd-funding campaign to butter up VCs for their next funding round [3] and then decided the Asian LLC handling the crowdfunding would go bankrupt, leaving backers with no tablets and most with no refund. [4] The real kicker was that the tablets were ALREADY manufactured by their ODM, Jolla just neve…

afaik the tablet was in development hell for much of 2015, by the time it was ready it was no longer profitable and Jolla couldn't afford to buy more than about 600 units without going bust.

IIRC they were negotiating a startup funding round that failed, so they ended unexpectedly up not having enough money to run the company let alone pay for the tablet manufacturing. Even remember hearing about the manufacturers selling the units with Android by the time they secured at least some funding for the company, so there was really nothing to salvage.

Or it might have just been their excuse back then - if you have some newer details of how it actually all went down with the tablet, please do share! :-)

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

#99

Post by aapoalas »

dman wrote: post #63

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Jolla never shipped me a tablet or offered me a refund back when they were making tablets. I would strongly urge people not to pre-order from the company since they have a track record of not shipping and being extremely irresponsible in their communications when they dont ship.

Hmm, I at least received a refund on the tablet; I think half of it was paid out and half of it I opted to use as payment for Sailfish X.

An email I have stored from July 4th 2017 mentions "the tablet refund tool", so there seems to have been a concrete system for this refunding process as well. I abstractly remember something like that, though I must say my memory is shoddy and should not be trusted.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

komali2 wrote: post #33
sir_eliah wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some time ago I also thought that no 3.5mm jack is a deal-breaker, but I bought super cheap jack-usbc adapter that is 5cm long and it works pretty well.

Correct me if I'm wrong but those cables must include a DAC to function properly and so usually have a tiny kinda crappy one in them, right? In this post headphone jack world I use a fiio Bluetooth/USB DAC that's really good quality. But it's about the size of two ipod nanos stacked on top of each other.

>those cables must include a DAC to function properly and so usually have a tiny kinda crappy one in them, right?

FWIW, audiophiles were very impressed with the measured performance of the €10 Apple USB-C to 3.5mm adapter and its DAC. The Google one is likely good too.

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