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Re: Wayland Nvidia

#91

Post by graynk »

rmrfchik wrote: post #90
graynk wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suspend/resume is broken in general (and everywhere besides Mac), including AMD on Linux. No more drivers is just..false? The rest was true up to roughly 3 years ago. Now I'm a happy camper

Suspend/resume was broken in nvidia since release on aug 2024. I have internal bug id for it. And dozen links with suspend scripts. No more drivers I mean I don't need to install dozens of packages. While it not big deal by itself, but reverting broken driver is huge deal. Laggy desktop -- this is my experience until nov 2025 when I dumped nvidia. Desktop on both intel and amd feels like magic after nvidia.

Suspend/resume is broken for my friend with an AMD card right now. That's what I mean: it's broken everywhere in slightly different ways, yes even on Windows. Thankfully I never use it anyway.

Dunno anything about dozens of packages, I installed 1 (one) package from my distro and haven't touched it since, no issues with updates either. That same friend with an AMD card keeps getting random hard PC freezes during gaming though.

Also absolutely zero issues with lags/latency for me (on GNOME. I did experience a bunch of weird bugs with KDE, but again - no lags)

One thing that is very real is DirectX 12 performance. This one really does suffer due to poor nvidia drivers. Hope they iron it out at some point

Re: Wayland Nvidia

#92

Post by mx7zysuj4xew »

antonyh wrote: post #56
tietjens wrote: post #3

When can I reliably run ~95% of Steam titles on Linux with a Nvidia card? That's what I'm waiting for, then it's bye-bye Windows.

I can run 99% on Linux + AMD + X11, on Ubuntu 24. The only problematic one is Witcher 3 which insists on Wayland which breaks everything else. Even the UT5 titles work well enough, but then again our gaming is not your gaming and you might be more demanding that we are. I'm trying to recall how NVidia behaved for games, but my daily driver is an old 1050 Ti that's been rock solid for years now, also X11. Maybe the pr…

Most likely Wayland, I don't recall many of the problems occuring before that

Re: Wayland Nvidia

#93

Post by mx7zysuj4xew »

rmrfchik wrote: post #90
graynk wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suspend/resume is broken in general (and everywhere besides Mac), including AMD on Linux. No more drivers is just..false? The rest was true up to roughly 3 years ago. Now I'm a happy camper

Suspend/resume was broken in nvidia since release on aug 2024. I have internal bug id for it. And dozen links with suspend scripts. No more drivers I mean I don't need to install dozens of packages. While it not big deal by itself, but reverting broken driver is huge deal. Laggy desktop -- this is my experience until nov 2025 when I dumped nvidia. Desktop on both intel and amd feels like magic after nvidia.

Suspend/resume never worked right, going back to as early as the 2000s

Re: Wayland Nvidia

#94

Post by godelski »

jwcooper wrote: post #19

Most of this article seems unnecessary in 2025 and is very specific to Arch. For most distributions you can simply install the (proprietary) nvidia drivers and you're good to go. There is generally no tweaking or command line changes necessary for Nvidia to work on Wayland, including multi-monitors with different resolutions and refresh rates.

  > very specific to Arch
What? The main difference between distros is the package manager. I don't see anything here that's distro specific other than editing the pacman config to enable multilib, which to be fair is default on with many distros.

But Systemd? That's on most distros these days. I'm pretty sure it is on all of those in the top 10.

Also, the OP is using CachyOS. You can tell b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶o̶p̶e̶n̶ ̶f̶i̶l̶e̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶n̶a̶n̶o̶ from the neofetch logo. But, I'll mention that if you checkout distrowatch, Arch based distros are incredibly common. Over the past 12 months the most downloaded distros are CachyOS (Arch), Mint (Deb/Ubuntu), MX (Deb), Debian, Endeavour (Arch), Pop (Ubuntu), Manjaro (Arch), Ubuntu, Fedora, Zorin (Deb/Ubuntu).

That said, you don't have to do any of this for either Endeavour (which I use) nor Manjaro (my old distro of choice). Along with Pop, one of the main motivations for these distros is Nvidia support. Really I don't expect most people to even be facing those problems these days. On Endeavour I've only run into one Nvidia problem over the last 5 years and it was when a beta driver conflicted with the most recent kernel. Super easy fix once I realized the problem.

On a side note/friendly reminder:

anyone that's using linux these days with an Nvidia card I suggest making sure your /efi partition is >1GB (at least 2GB but give it some headroom. Disk is still cheap). If you're putting the drivers in the kernel (you should), like done here, those are going to take up a lot of space. (If you get a space error, run `sudo du -ch --max-depth=3 /efi | sort -hr` to see the problem. You can, usually, safely delete any of the `initrd-fallback` versions and rerun `sudo reinstall-kernels`. They'll be built again but this will usually give you the headroom you need)

Re: Wayland Nvidia

#95

Post by godelski »

_79px wrote: post #35
jwcooper wrote: post #19

Most of this article seems unnecessary in 2025 and is very specific to Arch. For most distributions you can simply install the (proprietary) nvidia drivers and you're good to go. There is generally no tweaking or command line changes necessary for Nvidia to work on Wayland, including multi-monitors with different resolutions and refresh rates.

My "gaming" laptop is completely effed on most distributions, and forces me to use Linux Mint to select an older driver (which also causes problems.)

  >  completely effed on most distributions
How does the distribution make this an issue? You can always freeze drivers and install old ones. I get that it might not work out of the box, especially with rolling-release distros like Arch, but you also don't want rolling-releases for an older machine.

Re: Wayland Nvidia

#96

Post by rmrfchik »

graynk wrote: post #91
rmrfchik wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suspend/resume was broken in nvidia since release on aug 2024. I have internal bug id for it. And dozen links with suspend scripts. No more drivers I mean I don't need to install dozens of packages. While it not big deal by itself, but reverting broken driver is huge deal. Laggy desktop -- this is my experience until nov 2025 when I dumped nvidia. Desktop on both intel and amd feels like magic after nvidia.

Suspend/resume is broken for my friend with an AMD card right now. That's what I mean: it's broken everywhere in slightly different ways, yes even on Windows. Thankfully I never use it anyway. Dunno anything about dozens of packages, I installed 1 (one) package from my distro and haven't touched it since, no issues with updates either. That same friend with an AMD card keeps getting random hard PC freezes during gami…

Suspend/Resume simply nvidia bug: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/cant-resume-from-suspe...

Dozen of packages, official packages, you need bunch of, like, 590.44.01-1 packages installed: https://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/deb...

Lags: sorry, I have no more nvidia and can't record video.

(edit: formatting)

Re: Wayland Nvidia

#97

Post by graynk »

rmrfchik wrote: post #96
graynk wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suspend/resume is broken for my friend with an AMD card right now. That's what I mean: it's broken everywhere in slightly different ways, yes even on Windows. Thankfully I never use it anyway. Dunno anything about dozens of packages, I installed 1 (one) package from my distro and haven't touched it since, no issues with updates either. That same friend with an AMD card keeps getting random hard PC freezes during gami…

Suspend/Resume simply nvidia bug: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/cant-resume-from-suspe... Dozen of packages, official packages, you need bunch of, like, 590.44.01-1 packages installed: https://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/deb... Lags: sorry, I have no more nvidia and can't record video. (edit: formatting)

And there are simply AMD bugs in the same vein, yes: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/?sort=create.... Again, I'm not saying it's not broken on NVIDIA, I'm saying it's just broken, period.

> official packages

Which is unfortunately not a good thing when it comes to NVIDIA. "Modern" distros package those for you, which is why I install linux-cachyos-nvidia-open [0] now and previously nvidia-driver-${version} [1] when I was using Pop! OS, both of which worked without a single issue for me from the word "go". My point is: it's not all doom and gloom, there's life to be had and it's not that worse than AMD cards.

[0] https://packages.cachyos.org/package/cachyos/x86_64/linux-ca...

[1] https://github.com/pop-os/nvidia-graphics-drivers

Re: Wayland Nvidia

#98

Post by juliangmp »

kachapopopow wrote: post #33
jjuel wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came to say something about the ads too. Ended up not even reading the article it was so bad.

It feels surprising that there's people on hackernews without adblock considering that adblock is not just for blocking ads, but also malware, illegal tracking and blocking annoying and useless banners.

I use an app called harmonic to browse HN, if I open a link externally Firefox for android opens it with ublock installed. But the first glance of the article I get is with the default web view.

And a lot of places have ads that are okay. I mean I still dislike them, but they don't block half the page as in this instance. And when I see that I won't even bother to open it in Firefox.

Re: Wayland Nvidia

#99

Post by superkuh »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #5
superkuh wrote: post #2

To be clearer, as each wayland desktop pretty much creates their own incompatible wayland compositor (because wayland protocol is minimal and not feature complete) this is just a guide to fixing the hyperland broken wayland desktop. Not all waylands' broken desktops.

What protocol is missing from Wayland? Yes Wayland doesn't have a printer protocol like Xorg, I know.

The big ones missing for me are accessibility support (ie, screen readers) and mouse/keyboard input support for basic things like keyboard sharing.

Re: Wayland Nvidia

#100

Post by _79px »

everdrive wrote: post #65
_79px wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My "gaming" laptop is completely effed on most distributions, and forces me to use Linux Mint to select an older driver (which also causes problems.)

I assume you have 2 GPUs and one is integrated?

Yes, the laptop screen works fine but my external monitor connected to my gpu seems to run at about 10 fps when it should be 120.
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