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Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by uroni »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #61
uroni wrote: post #42

I've been working on https://github.com/uroni/hs5 as a replacement with similar goals to early minio. The core is stable at this point, but the user/policy management and the web interface is still in the works.

Looks like you cleanly point out their violation of the AGPL. I wish I were a lawyer with nothing better to do, I'd definitely be suing the MinIO group, there's no way they can cleanly remove the AGPL code outsiders contributed.

I'm not a contributor to Minio. This is its own separate thing.

I do have a separate AGPL project (see github) where I have nearly all of the copyright and have looked into how one would be able to enforce this in the US at some point and it did look pretty bleak -- it is a civil suit where you have to show damages etc. but IANAL.

I did not like the FUD they were spreading about AGPL at the time since it is a good license for end-user applications.

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by giancarlostoro »

mbreese wrote: post #85
giancarlostoro wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like you cleanly point out their violation of the AGPL. I wish I were a lawyer with nothing better to do, I'd definitely be suing the MinIO group, there's no way they can cleanly remove the AGPL code outsiders contributed.

I don't think there would be an issue with removing AGPL contributed code. You can't force someone to distribute something they don't want to. IANAL, but I believe that what (all?) copyright in software is most concerned with is the active distribution of code -- not the removal of code. That said, if there was contributed AGPL code, they couldn't change the license on that part of the code w/o a CLA. AGPL also doesn…

That's definitely not how its written or interpreted. Microsoft had to release code because they touched GPL code some years back I think it was for HyperV? We're talking about a company with many lawyers at the ready not being able to skirt the GPL in any way, like undoing the code.

Additionally, in order to CHANGE the license, if others contributed code under that license, you would need their permission, on top of the fact, you cannot retroactively revoke the license for previous versions.

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by trufas »

Dachande663 wrote: post #19

Does anyone have any recommendations for a simple S3-wrapper to a standard dir? I've got a few apps/services that can send data to S3 (or S3 compatible services) that I want to point to a local server I have, but they don't support SFTP or any of the more "primitive" solutions. I did use a python local-s3 thing, but it was... not good.

s3proxy has a filesystem backend [0].

Possibly of interest: s3gw[1] is a modified version of ceph's radosgw that allows it to run standalone. It's geared towards kubernetes (notably part of Rancher's storage solution), but should work as a standalone container.

[0] https://github.com/gaul/s3proxy [1] https://github.com/s3gw-tech/s3gw

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by giancarlostoro »

uroni wrote: post #91
giancarlostoro wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like you cleanly point out their violation of the AGPL. I wish I were a lawyer with nothing better to do, I'd definitely be suing the MinIO group, there's no way they can cleanly remove the AGPL code outsiders contributed.

I'm not a contributor to Minio. This is its own separate thing. I do have a separate AGPL project (see github) where I have nearly all of the copyright and have looked into how one would be able to enforce this in the US at some point and it did look pretty bleak -- it is a civil suit where you have to show damages etc. but IANAL. I did not like the FUD they were spreading about AGPL at the time since it is a good li…

Oh I didn't mean to imply yours was, yours is C++ theirs is Go. The AGPL is fine, not a license for me, but its fine. I'm more of an MIT license kind of guy. If you're going to do the AGPL thing and then try to secure funding, make sure you own the whole thing first.

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by mbreese »

mcpherrinm wrote: post #66
Dachande663 wrote: post #19

Does anyone have any recommendations for a simple S3-wrapper to a standard dir? I've got a few apps/services that can send data to S3 (or S3 compatible services) that I want to point to a local server I have, but they don't support SFTP or any of the more "primitive" solutions. I did use a python local-s3 thing, but it was... not good.

Versity Gateway looks like a reasonable option here. I haven't personally used it, but I know some folks who say it performs pretty great as a "ZFS-backed S3" alternative. https://github.com/versity/versitygw Unlike other options like Garage or Minio, it doesn't have any clustering, replication, erasure coding, ... Your S3 objects are just files on disk, and Versity exposes it. I gather it exists to provide an S3 int…

I really like what I've (just now) read about Versity. I like that they are thinking about large scale deployments with tape as the explicit cold-storage option. It really makes sense to me coming from an HPC background.

Thanks for posting this, as it's the first I've come across their work.

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by binsquare »

st3fan wrote: post #60

What a story. EOL the open source foundation of your commercial product, to which many people contributed, to turn it into a closed source "A-Ff*ing-I Store" .. seriously what the ...

I still don't understand what the difference is.

What is an AI Stor (e missing on purpose because that is how it is branded: https://www.min.io/product/aistor)

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by kstrauser »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #83
bityard wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see a contributor licensing agreement (CLA), so you may be right. (I personally choose not to contribute to projects with CLAs, I don't want my contributions to become closed-source in the future.)

Its worse than I thought: https://blog.min.io/weka-violates-minios-open-source-license... They think they can revoke someone's AGPL license. That's not at all how that license works!

I think that's exactly how that license works. Basically, the license is the only thing that grants you rights to redistribute the licensed work. Copyright law otherwise forbids it. And the license itself only grants you the right to redistribute the work as long as you comply with its terms. If you violate them, the license no longer applies, and you no longer have any legal right to distribute the work or any derived works.

I have zero knowledge about the squabble between MinIO and Weka. I don't know, and don't care, if either of them is in the right. But if Weka isn't complying with the terms of the AGPL, then MinIO has the legal right to tell them they can no longer distribute MinIO's licensed work at all, because nothing else grants them that privilege.

If that weren't true, there'd be no teeth to the A?GPL whatsoever.

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by evil-olive »

Aurornis wrote: post #57

> For enterprise support and actively maintained versions, please see [MinIO AIStor] Naming the product “AIStor” is one of the most blatant forced AI branding pivots I’ve seen.

for maximum performance with MinIO AIStor, make sure to use one of Seagate's "AI hard drives":

https://www.seagate.com/products/video-analytics/skyhawk-ai-...

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