"end to end"
I see what you did there.
Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera
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#92I'm so sorry for the people who work on this and have to look at the data.
The old adage is "garbage in, garbage out". s/garbage/feces/g
This sounds like the marketing department came up with this "market opportunity" and then some poor team at Kohler was asked to make it real.
No doubt there is health data to be had in waste products (it was used extensively during covid to figure out community-wide infection rates) but that used physical samples that were then analyzed. Trying to figure out if someone has a UTI, or pathogenic poop from a webcam image ... it is hopeless.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would argue it depends on context. E2EE means it's encrypted until the "target" receives it. For a messaging protocol, it's the intended recipient of the message. For what the person you're replying is discussing, the intended recipient IS the bank. That being said, the person you're replying to seems to be saying that "the server" is always an "intended" end, which is wrong.
No, it doesn't depend on context. The intended recipient of a financial transaction is not the bank. The intended recipient is the party you're trying to pay. It is possible for financial transactions to be E2EE and completely indecipherable by anyone but the two parties of the transaction. Crypto like ZCash can do it. Banks cannot.
Can you expand on this a bit. It was my understanding that you're telling the bank to pay the vendor (from your money/credit). In that case, the bank certainly needs to know about the transaction... so it can make the payment.
Are we talking about 2 different things here?
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an incredibly common misuse of the term e2ee. I think at this point we need a new word because you have a coin flip's chance of actually getting what you think when a company describes their product this way.
I have never seen "e2ee" abused this way personally.
Zoom also did this once
Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera
#95AI enshitification. Literally.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it doesn't depend on context. The intended recipient of a financial transaction is not the bank. The intended recipient is the party you're trying to pay. It is possible for financial transactions to be E2EE and completely indecipherable by anyone but the two parties of the transaction. Crypto like ZCash can do it. Banks cannot.
Can you expand on this a bit. It was my understanding that you're telling the bank to pay the vendor (from your money/credit). In that case, the bank certainly needs to know about the transaction... so it can make the payment. Are we talking about 2 different things here?
I suggest researching how ZCash uses zero-knowledge proofs to allow paying money from your balance to another person's balance without any middleman like a bank being able to decrypt your transaction, while still allowing everyone to verify that important invariants are maintained, such as not allowing you to spend more money than you have.
This is what it takes to make a financial transaction E2EE. I'm not saying that banks could or should do this. I'm just saying that their systems do not qualify as E2EE unless they do. It's not ambiguous.
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#97Holy fuck they actually built Smart Pipe[1] 1: https://youtu.be/DJklHwoYgBQ?si=bSRE2lOqwwm1Q_D9
#itsmyanus
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#98Sounds like the crappiest data source for AI training yet. But in all seriousness, of course they can access the data. Otherwise who else would process it to give any health results back? I don't think encryption in transit is relevant to privacy concerns because the concerns are about such data being tied to you at all, in any way. At the same time, yes, this could product valuable health information. Their better b…
>Otherwise who else would process it to give any health results back?
Well it could be processed on-device.
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#99Kohler can "de-identify [the user’s] data for lawful purposes." I mean exactly how would that ever be justified? "Hey, we see a man-sized log in the bowl. There's only supposed to be women there. The perp must be in that house!!!"
IP address, device identifier, mother's maiden name, SSN, etc etc
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#100What. Who is buying a $600 camera to take pictures of your stool?
People who have clinical gut issues need to track this kind of thing And people who are being treated for gut issues can pay for their $600 medical toilet with HSA or insurance Honestly, that this camera toilet exists is not a WTF for me. If my doctor needs to track changes to my stool, I certainly don’t want to have to hover over the bowl with my phone out. Please, just have the toilet take the picture.
You know, obvious humor potential aside, that’s a great point. Fewer people would laugh about a pee analyzer: “Oh, it can tell if you’re dehydrated, or in ketosis, or whatever? Makes sense!” I can imagine how this could gather similar types of information.
And yes, if my doctor wanted me to collect that info, I’d vastly rather buy a smart toilet and let it do the dirty work. That is, assuming it was actually secure.