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Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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Odd for a gay man to court those who support Leviticus stoning of gays. Self hating? Or just savvy?

In the current setup, having enough money protects you from the laws of the country and the judgment of others. Thiel is rich enough and therefore powerful enough that these culture wars will never personally affect him or anyone he cares about.

Tell that to Ernst Rohm...

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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I mean, they have a point. But considering they run a whole journal on literal communism, it’s hard to take them seriously. The message falls flat when it comes from a different flavor of dangerous fantasy.

Jacobin is not a whole journal on literal communism. It’s a magazine with a professed socialist view point but it’s more aligned with left-of-center American politics. Think Sanders or Mamdani rather than Stalin or Mao.

Jacobin is more closely aligned with Stalin or Mao than Sanders or Mamdani, actually.

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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Maybe slightly off topic to the article, but I don't really care what Peter Thiel has to say. I do think we need to collectively think about how to not give these people a microphone. It's one thing to have concentrated wealth. It's a very different thing to have concentrated wealth and people's attention. I think that's a much more interesting discussion :).

Sorry, but that take is complete garbage. Wanting to “collectively figure out how to take away the microphone” from rich people you dislike isn’t a brave stance against inequality, it’s straight-up authoritarian censorship based on net worth. In a free society, people choose who gets attention. If you don’t like Thiel, out-argue him or ignore him, but don’t fantasize about silencing citizens because they’re successfu…

Today, the super-wealthy have a megaphone for their worldview that is orders of magnitude more effective than anything anyone else has got. It's not just Thiel: Bezos, Soros, Musk, Paul Singer, and others all are or have been promulgating their worldviews at a scale formerly reserved for nation-states. If unchecked, this inequity will bring us to a world not dissimilar to Byzantine Europe, where the "word of god," as filtered through your lord of choice, utterly dominates the marketplace of ideas.

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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He 100% uses this for profit. Why does he not give away his money? It is profit. The craziness is just the cover for it.

> He 100% uses this for profit. Why does he not give away his money? You haven't given away your money. Does that mean everything you do (including writing the above comment) is for profit?

Sure, but I don't profit from wars.

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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Maybe slightly off topic to the article, but I don't really care what Peter Thiel has to say. I do think we need to collectively think about how to not give these people a microphone. It's one thing to have concentrated wealth. It's a very different thing to have concentrated wealth and people's attention. I think that's a much more interesting discussion :).

Having listened to a fair amount of Thiel, he tends to be very, very mischaracterized. He relies on metaphor and allegory to describe the world, and is very philosophical and analytical–all of which opens the door to broad interpretation. For instance, his use of the phrase "Antichrist" has been wildly (and deliberately, IMO) misinterpreted by the commentariat and intelligentsia that dominate our sense making institutions. I'm not suggesting anyone should agree with everything (or anything!) he says, but I think the dismissal of him is to one's own detriment as much of it is very interesting and thoughtful.

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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This is the article's second sentence: "Thiel’s lurid, apocalyptic view of world politics may be ludicrous or even deranged, but his wealth and power mean that we can’t afford to ignore it."

Yes we can actually. I think it has something to do with Silicon Valley's obsession with money. To SV-people, billionaires are like gods. They are worshipped and invited to all the events worth going to (meetups, hackathons, etc.). Everyone wants to be like them. And it seems to me to be a geographical problem too. In NYC, billionaires are like supervillains. Nobody particularly likes them (outside of select finance…

It's also a governmental problem. Remember that Vance is functionally owned by Thiel, who also backed Trump's campaign.

So, the issue is really just that he has far too much power, as an individual

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition...There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

There's no point misrepresenting a political stance. Well, there is a point, but it's malicious.

Personally I find that quote tired and trite. But so-called "conservatives" could certainly stand to clear up the matter by articulating what their constructive political stances actually are these days - that is beyond merely vice signalling, performative cruelty, and a cult of personality around Dear Leader.

As a libertarian, I certainly have my problems with the progressive orthodoxy. But every time I've tried to work out current conservative principles, by generally appealing to what they claim to be, I've basically just gotten a brush off of why those traditional ideals are not applicable and then a bunch of whataboutism to justify why they have to kill our society to purportedly save it.

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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post #13

Maybe slightly off topic to the article, but I don't really care what Peter Thiel has to say. I do think we need to collectively think about how to not give these people a microphone. It's one thing to have concentrated wealth. It's a very different thing to have concentrated wealth and people's attention. I think that's a much more interesting discussion :).

> It's one thing to have concentrated wealth. It's a very different thing to have concentrated wealth and people's attention.

Because of human nature, the two are inseparable, and influence over people's attention is power, especially when those people hold seats of power.

The question is about what perspective society takes towards wealth/power concentration at any given time, and that usually ends up correlated with how the non-wealthy and non-powerful are feeling.

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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Hmm... If anybody meets the definition of his antichrist, it might be him.

The notion that there is an antichrist and that "international agencies, environmentalism and guardrails on technology could quicken its rise" is ludicrous.

The only reason we listen to his nonsense is because he has money, and with that comes power in this country.

I suggest he take some shrooms and chill...

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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post #13

Maybe slightly off topic to the article, but I don't really care what Peter Thiel has to say. I do think we need to collectively think about how to not give these people a microphone. It's one thing to have concentrated wealth. It's a very different thing to have concentrated wealth and people's attention. I think that's a much more interesting discussion :).

Buying elections, politicians, doesn't require a microphone.
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