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Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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Starmer or Reeves boarded? The boarding is the point.

I reject that. It's the network that's more important. I always found the concept of boarding school odd but that's neither here nor there.

No the whole experience makes or breaks people, which is the idea.

It is like failing fast for people. It looks cruel but in the long run is more honest.

That is not to say the networks from exclusive day schools do not help, they do.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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> [Holmes] battles with drug addiction, loneliness and depression. His genius thrives in part because of these vulnerabilities, not despite them. If there was a pill for that, how many masterpieces like the Sherlock Holmes books would never be made? The products of misery have always been the devil's advocate's best arguments. If Doyle had not sympathized with Holmes' afflictions, he could not have written him. Or if…

For every tortured genius whose passion comes from pain, there's a hundred who never get started because they lack the energy to get out of bed half the time, are slowly killing themselves with alcohol and other substances, and so on. But a pill alone doesn't fix that -- hell, current research shows most of those pills do no better than a placebo -- so the mythology of the nobility of suffering will continue for some…

> or at least "pointless" suffering anyway

What bulletproof word choice. Robert Harris called Cicero the first modern politician, and that looks right.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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A man lives by himself in the woods: is he lonely or depressed?

Are those the only two options? If you think the answer is yes then that suggests a moment of reflection.

I would suggest he is neither.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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post #91

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I reject that. It's the network that's more important. I always found the concept of boarding school odd but that's neither here nor there.

No the whole experience makes or breaks people, which is the idea. It is like failing fast for people. It looks cruel but in the long run is more honest. That is not to say the networks from exclusive day schools do not help, they do.

It's actually a terrible idea. You're giving the people who "fail fast" no real incentives to fix themselves up and try again, and the people who "succeed" no incentives to do even better in the future. Even aside from how cruel it obviously looks, it's really a recipe for pervasive incompetence and a failed society.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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Previously you said they are basically traditional masculinity and what men always were. Now they are result of modern society?

A man lives by himself in the woods: is he lonely or depressed?

Maybe you should ask him?

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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> Too much psychology talk in every day life I'm curious to hear how often do you hear it in every day life outside of the internet.

It definitely does feel like every American I know "has a therapist", sometimes.

What do you mean by “has a therapist”? Do they just mention it in passing, or do they bring up takeaways from their sessions in everyday conversation? If it’s the latter, I’m not sure that’s really about mental-health openness. It feels more like a broader social habit, the need to present yourself as someone who’s constantly working on every aspect of your life. That’s a different modern-society quirk altogether.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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> [Holmes] battles with drug addiction, loneliness and depression. His genius thrives in part because of these vulnerabilities, not despite them. If there was a pill for that, how many masterpieces like the Sherlock Holmes books would never be made? The products of misery have always been the devil's advocate's best arguments. If Doyle had not sympathized with Holmes' afflictions, he could not have written him. Or if…

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Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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post #91

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No the whole experience makes or breaks people, which is the idea. It is like failing fast for people. It looks cruel but in the long run is more honest. That is not to say the networks from exclusive day schools do not help, they do.

It's actually a terrible idea. You're giving the people who "fail fast" no real incentives to fix themselves up and try again, and the people who "succeed" no incentives to do even better in the future. Even aside from how cruel it obviously looks, it's really a recipe for pervasive incompetence and a failed society.

There is no fix yourself and try again.

Again the Brits had their biggest empire when led by this caste of people, which is why their boarding schools get so much overseas business today. To paint that as incompetence or a failed society is wishful thinking - they were the peak of what they could be.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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Not from Doyle, but the film, "The Seven-Per-Cent Solution", presents Holmes as very vulnerable. Especially given the amazing cast, it is an excellent portrayal. That Holmes would encounter Sigmund Freud seemed to me at the time as a wild use of artistic license. Since then though I have come to believe that there were a lot fewer people on the Earth in general than I could really appreciate at the time, and some of…

Luminaries also were concentrated in but a few spots of the world at the time: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21859771

I'm not sure I'd refer to some of these individuals as "luminaries" which typically has a positive connotation.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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I neither like the taboo nor the opposite. Too much psychology talk in every day life, everyone is traumatised and has unresolved issues etc. That may be, but I wish we would handle it all more privately...

> Too much psychology talk in every day life I'm curious to hear how often do you hear it in every day life outside of the internet.

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