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Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by mauvehaus »

arethuza wrote: post #10

A while back I had to have a long and unpleasant dental procedure - a bone graft so I could get an implant in an area where the bone had been damaged - this took about 4 hours. During this time the dentist played music - mostly various works selected at random by Hans Zimmer. At one point things got a bit intense as apparently I have very hard bones - which meant that quite a bit of force was being used. The music pl…

My now-wife had her wisdom teeth pulled not too long after we met. The oral surgeon suggested music or an audiobook. She chose a Game of Thrones book, which was fine until it got to a torture scene as they were rooting around in her mouth. At which point she was unable to change it. Surprisingly, she still likes the audiobooks.

Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by harry8 »

Razengan wrote: post #77
squigz wrote: post #73

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That isn't the point of studies finding results that seem "intuitive" The point is that designing laws, regulations, guidelines, safety standards, etc, based on "intuition" is not very rational.

I recall seeing some fairly befuddling ones, like "Study finds that a green environment with plants & flowers reduces depression" etc., how do you even quantify this into numbers? I tell you I feel good if there's more greenery in the city, you want proof to see "how" good before you build more parks?

Well even if you are sure about your intuition in the knowledge that this confidence by humans has led to huge problems and tragedies in the past, you still want to have a good estimate of the effect size.

How much resource to allocate to this treatment vs other treatments having a positive effect.

Somewhere there ends up being a trade off that I will caricature as "Do we want another hospital OR another park?"

(All the above is idealised, the biggest win that moves the efficient frontier outwards is effectively fighting corruption and being vigilant defending the gains made. This seems to be universal across countries and cultures).

Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by devilbunny »

squigz wrote: post #74
devilbunny wrote: post #41

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Depends on the surgery and how you want to listen. Ask to have it played in the room? Sure. Want to listen on your own device? We don’t want to be responsible for loss or damage to that device. Want to use earbuds? Same problem if you’re going to be sedated at all, plus there is also the risk of damage to you if there’s metal anywhere. One of the most commonly used instruments in surgery is electrocautery. A large pa…

How often do patients request this? Do surgeons ever say no? I would think there's a risk of distraction here.

I have Spotify playlists for each of my regular surgeons. It’s just background music. I only know one who operates in silence.

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Post by crooked-v »

padjo wrote: post #60
j_mo wrote: post #49

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I'd say good music is objective. Whether it's hard to play, uses complex polyrhythms etc. which most listeners aren't even aware of - and those people tend to think good music is subjective as they can't perceive the quality, only whether they like it or not . There's also some incredibly skilful metal music with no "shredding" whatsoever. I don't particularly like Mozart but I'd be an idiot to say it's not good musi…

If the goal of music is to induce an emotional or intellectual response in a person. Then only the listening person can decide if a response was induced and if that experience impacted them in a positive or negative way. It is the definition of a subjective experience. The complexity of the music or the technical skill of the artist has nothing to do with it being good or bad. Music anywhere on the spectrum from simp…

I think the easiest example there would be the Ramones, who had a lot of songs using thr same four, three, or even two chords with almost no musical complexity, and yet capitvated and inspired a huge number of people and contributed to the foundational sound of later pop and rock music.

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Post by edm0nd »

mauvehaus wrote: post #91
arethuza wrote: post #10

A while back I had to have a long and unpleasant dental procedure - a bone graft so I could get an implant in an area where the bone had been damaged - this took about 4 hours. During this time the dentist played music - mostly various works selected at random by Hans Zimmer. At one point things got a bit intense as apparently I have very hard bones - which meant that quite a bit of force was being used. The music pl…

My now-wife had her wisdom teeth pulled not too long after we met. The oral surgeon suggested music or an audiobook. She chose a Game of Thrones book, which was fine until it got to a torture scene as they were rooting around in her mouth. At which point she was unable to change it. Surprisingly, she still likes the audiobooks.

Was it the part where Theon Greyjoy is getting his penis cut off by Ramsey?

Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by niek_pas »

j_mo wrote: post #49
dyauspitr wrote: post #17

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Good music is subjective. Aside from the guitar skills involved in shredding, I think heavy metal is probably the worst genre of music.

I'd say good music is objective. Whether it's hard to play, uses complex polyrhythms etc. which most listeners aren't even aware of - and those people tend to think good music is subjective as they can't perceive the quality, only whether they like it or not . There's also some incredibly skilful metal music with no "shredding" whatsoever. I don't particularly like Mozart but I'd be an idiot to say it's not good musi…

Ironically, Mozart, as a progeny of the Classical era, uses a lot of the same 4 chords with incredibly simple melodies.

Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by mentalgear »

flave wrote: post #2

Better to link the actual study rather than what a know-nothing hack has to say about it: https://mmd.iammonline.com/index.php/musmed/article/view/111... Nothing against the BBC but the most thoughtful journalist has all the scientific knowledge of Tarot Reader’s cat. Anyway, n=56 which is fine I guess but leaves loads of margin for error. Personally, I had a cystoscope and at the time had fancy health insurance so w…

I also had cystoscope and the nurses suggested music - in addition to the pain killer. So yeah, I would say peaceful music helped me, but not as a replacement to a painkiller.

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Post by DANmode »

macNchz wrote: post #57
wrp wrote: post #50

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I recently attended someone in the hospital. The constant beeping and alarms round the clock prevented any deep sleep for days, and seemed to hinder recovery.

This is a strange feature of hospitals that seems very much like we should know better, yet it’s pervasive. Hospital-acquired delirium is very common and awful, and is associated with bad outcomes after leaving the hospital—higher risk of death, and ongoing dementia-like problems. We know sleep is so critically important to health, yet everything about most hospitals seems basically incompatible with proper sleep: be…

Thank you for covering the fact that the facility itself is staffed by people “sleeping” in that environment some percentage of their rest…

Insanity.

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