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Re: I DM'd a Korean presidential candidate and ended up building his core campaign

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Post by potatonagger »

potato3732842 wrote: post #32
lawn wrote: post #27

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Thousands of serial rapists, murderers, and abusers also have the ability to be very positive, funny, and genuinely respectful to others when they choose to. Would you like to share another perspective for them too?

Louis CK and Genghis Khan were both very effective in their respective lines of work and I'll die on that hill. And while I'm at it, Bill Clinton was an alright president (though the surrounding administration would likely be looked at as a bunch of snakes if not for the even worse Bush2 cabinet that followed). Heck, Lincoln wanted to ship 'em back to Africa and Henry Ford was a moralizing anti-semite. Nobody is clea…

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Re: I DM'd a Korean presidential candidate and ended up building his core campaign

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Post by deaux »

surround wrote: post #66
deaux wrote: post #37

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I can't find anything on his Wikipedia article for "English" or "lawyer." Can't we assume good faith?

OP is Korean, and will be using the Korean wiki article which ranks squarely first when Googling his name in Korea from inside Korea. Would you ask for the same in the US case with the paralles I drew? Of course not.

Re: I DM'd a Korean presidential candidate and ended up building his core campaign

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Post by deaux »

skybrian wrote: post #24

Here is the politician’s Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Jun-seok

Koreans barely use Wikipedia so understandably that contains very little. They use Namuwiki, which is the much better link in this case (warning, machine translated): https://en.namu.wiki/w/%EC%9D%B4%EC%A4%80%EC%84%9D/%EB%85%BC...

Are there any other countries in the world that use a different wiki than Wikipedia as their main wiki, except for those where Wikipedia is banned? Korea seems like the only one.

Re: I DM'd a Korean presidential candidate and ended up building his core campaign

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Post by deaux »

ricardobeat wrote: post #81
skybrian wrote: post #30

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These parts jumped out: > He has been noted for his staunch antifeminism and support from South Korean idaenam (young men). … > He became popular in the 20s and 30s due to his opposing stance against political correctness such as "faux feminism," introducing reforms supporting meritocracy rather than outright equality of outcome. I know only a little about Korean politics, enough to know that it’s very dramatic with…

Whoa, that was an actual thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger_pinching_conspiracy_the... Weird diseases of a chronically online generation.

Was? Still is. Just two months for iPhone Air release, Apple edited hands out of their marketing images only in Korea, with the same images (including hands) being used in the rest of the world.

https://cm.asiae.co.kr/en/article/2025091309343951008

Re: I DM'd a Korean presidential candidate and ended up building his core campaign

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Post by deaux »

profstasiak wrote: post #86

OP, great work. Commentors here are not from Korea, so maybe we should refrain from commenting about policy of a given candidate? I really enjoyed your story, about how much tech can achieve. Technology really is a multiplier of effort. Amazing story.

> Commentors here are not from Korea

HN is an international place. Even just Silicon Valley itself is.

Re: I DM'd a Korean presidential candidate and ended up building his core campaign

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Post by creakingstairs »

skavi wrote: post #90
creakingstairs wrote: post #73

People are knee-jerking at “anti-feminism” part of Lee which I admit would look pretty off-putting to anyone who is not familiar with what’s going in South Korea. “Feminism” in Korea has taken on a different meaning sadly. I’ve commented in HN before at how abhorrent women’s right has been in Korea, especially up to my mother’s generation. It really has drastically improved last 20 years. However, many young men feel…

You caution against a knee jerk reaction to Lee’s anti-feminist views but the background you provide does not actually justify your implication that South Korea may be a special case. A feeling that “the pendulum has swung too much in the other direction” characterizes pretty much any modern reactionary anti-feminist movement in any country. And like in other countries, these feelings aren’t really borne out by the s…

> your implication that South Korea may be a special case

Well, I genuinely think the word "feminism" means different thing in Korea to the places I've lived at. It has much more inflammatory undertone there whereas in NZ, its just a term. When I see "anti-feminism" for Korean politician, I construe it to be "anti radical feminism". That's what I was trying to get at.

> these feelings aren’t really borne out by the stat

Those stats you've linked are pretty controversial: one says 10th and the other says 118th.

> Due to the various methods of calculating and measuring gender inequality, South Korea's gender inequality rankings vary across different reports. While the 2017 UNDP Gender Inequality Index ranks South Korea 10th out of 160 countries, the World Economic Forum ranks South Korea 118th out of 144 countries in its 2017 Global Gender Gap Report

I think there are still gender inequality in Korea. The reason I'm defending them is that I just don't want people to label fair bit of young Korean men to be misogynist and write them off. Their struggles are real and if we keep marginalising them I don't think it would get any better.

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Post by erxam »

creakingstairs wrote: post #97
skavi wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You caution against a knee jerk reaction to Lee’s anti-feminist views but the background you provide does not actually justify your implication that South Korea may be a special case. A feeling that “the pendulum has swung too much in the other direction” characterizes pretty much any modern reactionary anti-feminist movement in any country. And like in other countries, these feelings aren’t really borne out by the s…

> your implication that South Korea may be a special case Well, I genuinely think the word "feminism" means different thing in Korea to the places I've lived at. It has much more inflammatory undertone there whereas in NZ, its just a term. When I see "anti-feminism" for Korean politician, I construe it to be "anti radical feminism". That's what I was trying to get at. > these feelings aren’t really borne out by the s…

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Re: I DM'd a Korean presidential candidate and ended up building his core campaign

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Post by erxam »

pessimizer wrote: post #79
creakingstairs wrote: post #73

People are knee-jerking at “anti-feminism” part of Lee which I admit would look pretty off-putting to anyone who is not familiar with what’s going in South Korea. “Feminism” in Korea has taken on a different meaning sadly. I’ve commented in HN before at how abhorrent women’s right has been in Korea, especially up to my mother’s generation. It really has drastically improved last 20 years. However, many young men feel…

It really reads as exactly the evil victim mentality of the people wildly overrepresented at the top that we get in the US. The military service thing is obviously a real issue, though, but I don't know why that wouldn't be solved by forcing women into mandatory public service in the same way a man with a disability would be. Is it just that Korea doesn't have the social services to absorb the manpower? Military serv…

Men don't know what oppression is. It is as simple as that.

When we get attacked on our privilege, we feel as if it were a mortal wound.

I completely agree with you. Men pull out the victim card like it was the easiest thing in the fucking world. Of course, if anything happens, it's the fault of those weaker than us.

That's because we aspire to be them. To be the oppressors. There won't be any liberation, just a change of guard.

I fucking hate men and masculinity. This is the poison that will lead to humanity's extinction.

Re: I DM'd a Korean presidential candidate and ended up building his core campaign

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Post by skybrian »

deaux wrote: post #94
skybrian wrote: post #24

Here is the politician’s Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Jun-seok

Koreans barely use Wikipedia so understandably that contains very little. They use Namuwiki, which is the much better link in this case (warning, machine translated): https://en.namu.wiki/w/%EC%9D%B4%EC%A4%80%EC%84%9D/%EB%85%BC... Are there any other countries in the world that use a different wiki than Wikipedia as their main wiki, except for those where Wikipedia is banned? Korea seems like the only one.

Thanks for the link, but it doesn't seem very understandable for people who aren't already familiar with Korean politics.
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