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Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Or bluetooth or NFC, which to me are far more enticing.

The website says it works with both Bluetooth and NFC.

Probably not NFC though. You need a much smaller distance to read NFC (or a much bigger antenna). I doubt it could read a NFC keycard through the thickness of the door. I'm sure all that metal in the lock would act as a great RF shield too. It uses more power than BT4, and all devices that have NFC also have BT4 so it probably wouldn't make sense to power both.

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

#92
Kudos to the team. This is not a solution for everyone, but there are places (Airbnb, shared access, renter, maybe hotel) where this concept could be invaluable. Even if not for my main door I could use it on the side door to allow multiple access for my family and kids.

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Value? Enough people are happy to pay $150 for it. Things should never be priced based on actual expense unless your margins are infinitely slim.

I certainly wouldn't pay $150 for that, and was asking myself the same ?. It's not going to appreciably increase the value of my home, so an argument that it's home improvement doesn't hold water for me. It doesn't seem to have that much hardware, which would help me understand the price point even if I still wouldn't pay for it. It simply doesn't solve a problem I have, and at $150, I'm not likely to give it a shot…

Since no one is forcing you to buy it, I would simply suggest not buying it and going on with your life.

Perhaps that sounds harsh, but there are plenty of products out there that cost a lot of money (much more than $150) which won't bring you any additional value.

The new Lockitron will certainly bring value to a lot of people, including renters.

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Wow, I'm amazed that they got wifi to work in the lock itself, vs. using a low-power thing like Zigbee to a base station with AC power.

Also, BT 4.0 LE is perfect for this -- since there's no NFC in the iPhone 5, I suspect BT 4.0 LE will end up taking the place of NFC for a lot of "heavier duty" NFC applications -- not that the Bluetooth protocol is great or elegant, but it's a lot easier to work with than NFC, and now BT 4.0 LE exists on both major smartphone platforms.

All my earlier criticism of not having a local ACL and local RF communication to the lock, vs. going to/from the Internet, is now resolved.

The only thing they're missing is a BT 4.0 LE dongle (which I've seen on Kickstarter called "hone" http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/690528216/hone-for-iphon... -- you could put that on your keyring and use it as an expensive HID proxcard replacement. Same thing works for electronic leash.

Now all they need to do is support 5-10 locksets in some kind of private/small business network (vs. putting in a HID access control system), for 0-99 users, and they'll be really innovative. Managing a single door with 0-5 people is comparatively easy; managing an office with turnover is a lot harder, and businesses would happily pay $1-2k for a system to cover their doors and employees with a nice LDAP/AD/FB/etc. interface.

Since you can upload your own firmware, it would be entirely possible for a customer to build this.

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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We use Lockitron on our offices and it has saved us a lot of trouble. Empirically people are a lot less likely to forget their phone than to forget keys, presumably because you use your phone for so many other things whereas most keys do nothing but get you into a single building.

"Empirically people are a lot less likely to forget their phone than to forget keys," That also varies on whether you drive a car or take public transportation. If you drive, leaving your house requires taking your keys and it becomes a habit. Same with leaving work. If you drove there you need your keys to leave. A good way around forgetting keys also is a realtor style lockbox either on the door or hidden with a sp…

Since all the YC partners are using boosted boards to longboard to the office, I bet this comes in handy. I know I wouldn't want a giant key chain in my pocket while riding.

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

#97

Cool and interesting idea, but for obvious reasons* I have some slight reluctance with using a service like this for my home. For less valuable targets though -- like a conference room or shared workspace -- this is a really clever solution to sharing keys. *I hate it when people say that so I'll expand. Simply put, I'm worried about it getting hacked. For instance, could you gain access to someone's wifi and then fl…

Basically no commercial locks provide a perfect (or even very good) audit trail facility -- guaranteeing the device isn't tampered with. Even the government/military X09 standard lock (from Kaba-Mas; it's a pretty awesome self-powered combination lock) can be forced, then replaced with a new lock with a faked serial number and internally trojaned electronics. You could detect this on internal destructive inspection later, but you might even be able to hack the electronics with self-deleting firmware.

The standard for secure facilities is 24x7 monitoring and roving patrols which are frequent enough to prevent defeating the lock/door initially. If it takes 1h to cut through a vault door, and you do patrols every 15 minutes, it doesn't matter as much that once you compromise the door, you can subvert the lock for future access.

That said, there's more potential to make an electronic locking system (and seal/tamper evidence) really secure than there is to make a mechanical keylock secure -- keylocks are basically deprecated for even moderately high security, and mechanical combination locks for high security -- the future is all electronic systems with online checking of credentials. A system like lockitron has a lot of room to grow.

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

#98

Sadly most doors in Germany have a normal key access installed on the inside as well :/

Those have become less popular in the US with rising fire-safety awareness, I think. (They are likely to trap inhabitants in the event of a fire.)

Given that the device claims to work with almost any deadbolt, and therefore can't be too picky about shape, my guess is it wouldn't be hard to adapt it for your lock. (Just permanently install a key with some handle attached to it for the device to grip.)

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

#99
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relies on your phone working 2.4 Ghz your internet connection your power their datacenter their website software to avoid carrying a key? anyone in the area could easily ddos off your wireless more or less permanently by spamming disconnect. doesn't seem like a very good risk/reward ratio to me. whats the problem with a more traditional (read local) keyless approach? door too thick?

The advantage for me is that I don't have to get my keys out if I'm carrying groceries or one of my kids. The bluetooth receiver means it will open the door automatically for me.

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

#100

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I believe this is ACTUALLY a preorder, rather than an investment that includes a "prize" if they actually succeed.

It's so we know how many to make. We won't charge anyone's card until they are ready to ship.

I'd seriously consider doing kickstarter too -- once you've got 250-500 preorders outside kickstarter, and popularity on HN, you should be in a great position to have an "overfunded" kickstarter. Yes, they take a cut, but the exposure from kickstarter is probably worth it -- just bump prices 10% if you must.

I know I buy a lot of gadgets I might not otherwise know about due to seeing them in my activity feed on kickstarter.

Seemed to work well for Pebble...

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