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Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by Asooka »

adrian_b wrote: post #45
pndy wrote: post #17

Might be somehow related -ish ; in Poland by rmf24.pl outlet: > On Friday, the Sejm (lower house) passed an amendment to the bill on the provision of electronic services, which allows for the blocking of illegal content on the internet. The new regulations anticipate that the president of UKE (Office of Electronic Communications) and KRRiT (National Broadcasting Council ) will be able to decide on the removal of cont…

Every time when I see how these censorship laws are pushed, I cannot understand how it is possible that anyone of those who vote for them can believe that such laws can achieve their stated goal of "protecting the innocent children". Actually I cannot believe that the voters, or at least most of them, are so stupid that they no longer remember what they were doing as children, so I can only assume that the real purpo…

> Actually I cannot believe that the voters, or at least most of them, are so stupid

The majority of USAians voted for Trump. It would be the height of hubris to think of our average voter as noticeably smarter than one from the USA.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by phatfish »

Nextgrid wrote: post #21

Always funny to see the senile politicians blaming porn as the biggest threats to children and not their collapsing economies. I'm sure when those kids grow up and work long hours for the rest of their lives (if they can find a job at all!) just to be able to afford rent they'll at least be grateful they weren't able to access porn in their teenage years.

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Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by Asooka »

trallnag wrote: post #90
vmaurin wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* you add an HTTP header saying "I am a kid" * porn web servers read and handle this headers * if they don't (easy to test), they get fined It is easy to implement, easy to monitor, and will probably just work if the government do the effort to monitor and enforce it. If not, it will just be an other DNT header

What stops a kid from saying "I am an adult" via this header without some draconian client-side enforcement?

You add draconian client-side enforcement via parent controls. You can even mandate that stores ask for whom the device will be and provision it accordingly with the flag being automatically removed in the future when the person is of age.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by slightwinder »

Nextgrid wrote: post #86
slightwinder wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said it's the biggest threat? It's one of many problems which is taking care of. This reads like really poor whataboutism..

> It's one of many problems which is taking care of I hear about digital freedoms (for porn restrictions, chat message monitoring, etc) being attacked on a weekly basis, often with "think of the children" as a justification. I don't hear about the fact that Western economies being property-based Ponzi schemes on their last legs being discussed very often, if at all. Instead everyone is trying to extract even more out…

So you only hear what you want to hear. Noted.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by anal_reactor »

phatfish wrote: post #92
Nextgrid wrote: post #21

Always funny to see the senile politicians blaming porn as the biggest threats to children and not their collapsing economies. I'm sure when those kids grow up and work long hours for the rest of their lives (if they can find a job at all!) just to be able to afford rent they'll at least be grateful they weren't able to access porn in their teenage years.

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I really thought that this website was beyond perosnal attacks.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by general1465 »

pndy wrote: post #17

Might be somehow related -ish ; in Poland by rmf24.pl outlet: > On Friday, the Sejm (lower house) passed an amendment to the bill on the provision of electronic services, which allows for the blocking of illegal content on the internet. The new regulations anticipate that the president of UKE (Office of Electronic Communications) and KRRiT (National Broadcasting Council ) will be able to decide on the removal of cont…

> I don't want to wear a tinfoil hat but considering that chat control is unlikely to work at EU level, local "solutions" like above in Germany and Poland may give legal way to include scanning instant messengers in the future.

That's because lawmakers think it has no impact on them. In Czech Republic a transparency law has been passed many years ago. This law effectively said that cities needs to disclose suppliers and agreements for services they are purchasing, like trash collection. Sounds pretty innocent.

It has turned out that politicians did not think that through because people found a lot of cities are buying services from companies which are owned by politicians who are also part of city council. Whoops, massive conflict of interests. So then politicians were clamping the law down until this got hidden under wraps again. All these Chat Controls, porn filters are going to have exactly same effect.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by adastra22 »

benbristow wrote: post #79
adastra22 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think these laws don’t apply to Linux?

How would you implement this on something like Arch Linux where you basically build your whole OS from scratch?

Doesn't matter. If you can't find a way to do so, then it becomes illegal to distribute or use Arch Linux.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by Asooka »

rPlayer6554 wrote: post #14

*This does not seem like a censorship measure.* It seems like it requires OSs to give parents an easy way to filter porn. I struggle with porn addiction. When I really fall back into it I act out 5-10 times a day. I can’t stop even if I want to. It distracts from work and from my real life relationships and girlfriend. Everyone on HN loves to rag on social media because it’s so toxic. What about porn? If social media…

Reads like paid copypasta. In the unlikely case you're sincere, have you tried testosterone blockers medication? I checked out SLAA (SA and SAA yielded no results) and while learning to control yourself is nice, why should you have those urges in the first place if they are making your life miserable. I find most porn kind of boring and even icky. I would never get tired of seeing pretty women (especially naked), but porn itself is kind of meh.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by anal_reactor »

adrian_b wrote: post #45
pndy wrote: post #17

Might be somehow related -ish ; in Poland by rmf24.pl outlet: > On Friday, the Sejm (lower house) passed an amendment to the bill on the provision of electronic services, which allows for the blocking of illegal content on the internet. The new regulations anticipate that the president of UKE (Office of Electronic Communications) and KRRiT (National Broadcasting Council ) will be able to decide on the removal of cont…

Every time when I see how these censorship laws are pushed, I cannot understand how it is possible that anyone of those who vote for them can believe that such laws can achieve their stated goal of "protecting the innocent children". Actually I cannot believe that the voters, or at least most of them, are so stupid that they no longer remember what they were doing as children, so I can only assume that the real purpo…

> Actually I cannot believe that the voters, or at least most of them, are so stupid

Yes, they are. If you are an educated, intelligent person, most likely you live in a bubble of similar individuals. Step outside of the bubble and you'll quickly realize that most people are actually profoundly retarded.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by iamnothere »

adastra22 wrote: post #97
benbristow wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you implement this on something like Arch Linux where you basically build your whole OS from scratch?

Doesn't matter. If you can't find a way to do so, then it becomes illegal to distribute or use Arch Linux.

As an American I will happily help my EU colleagues ignore this absurd law by any means necessary, even if it requires sending SD cards affixed to letters through the mail or embedding them in 3D printed trinkets. Or, more likely, simply emailing gzipped installers or providing convenient download links that circumvent whatever firewall is eventually set up (assuming this law sticks around, but it won’t).
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