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France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

#91
post #83

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French newspapers are mostly french republic propaganda paid by the state, and laws and political decisions are tested with headlines like this. This is public data, it's not a conspiracy. Lots of newspapers would not exist without the taxpayer money: https://www.culture.gouv.fr/thematiques/presse-ecrite/tablea...

So… taxpayers’ propaganda?

If you assume France is democracy )

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

#92
post #19

This hostility towards privacy all over the world signals that there is a co-ordinated change happening in the world. Unfortunately we still don't know what it is or what its goals are.

Don't fall into this reductionist thinking, there is no secret cabal behind it. It's not even coordinated.

This wave of authoritarianism is simply the result of well-funded right-wing populists taking advantage of an economically tough situation for the masses, after decades of neoliberalist austerity and deregulation. They're using fear and hate to further the goals of their wealthy patrons: deregulating the economy further. Mass surveillance comes for free with these people, it's purely a consequence of focusing the entire public discourse on perceived crime levels and fear of foreigners.

The two articles attacking GrapheneOS come from right-wing rags: Le Figaro and Le Parisien, who make their bread and butter painting a bleak picture of the country, when crime levels are at an all-times low. QED

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

#93
post #3

The newspaper article referenced contains insinuation (linking GrapheneOS to the darkweb, criminal gangs etc), and unnamed sources quoting a police investigation. But that sort of thing sells newspapers. There didn't appear to be anything about the French state taking specific action (eg passing a law) against Graphene.

French newspapers are mostly french republic propaganda paid by the state, and laws and political decisions are tested with headlines like this. This is public data, it's not a conspiracy. Lots of newspapers would not exist without the taxpayer money: https://www.culture.gouv.fr/thematiques/presse-ecrite/tablea...

Except the two newspapers here aren't public, they're right-wing rags: Le Figaro and Le Parisien, both owned by right-wing oligarchs (Dassault and Arnault respectively) trying to fuel this climate of fear and hate to further their economic interests by getting a right-wing demagogue elected. Both papers are caught lying all the time, like Fox News.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

#94
post #3

The newspaper article referenced contains insinuation (linking GrapheneOS to the darkweb, criminal gangs etc), and unnamed sources quoting a police investigation. But that sort of thing sells newspapers. There didn't appear to be anything about the French state taking specific action (eg passing a law) against Graphene.

Can confirm, this is nothing but more scaremongering from right-wing rags: Le Figaro and Le Parisien, both owned by right-wing oligarchs (Dassault and Arnault respectively) trying to fuel this climate of fear to further their economic interests by getting a right-wing demagogue elected. Both papers are caught lying all the time, like Fox News. You shouldn't be taking this seriously.

What you should take seriously though, is this amping up of right-wing populist rhetoric, manufacturing a mass hysteria about crime (when it's at its lowest point in decades) that is then used to justify increasingly authoritarian policies.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

#95
post #80

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Yeah, people be random sometimes, internet can be hostile. But why is @GrapheneOS still engaging? After 2-3 messages you won't really improve on anything, and their goal is probably to just suck energy, so the only way to win is to not engage at all. Also ruins the conversations about the the content, instead people end up focusing on that crazy-on-one-side exchange. Internet 101: don't provide sustenance to the crea…

It's often possible to get through to people who are initially hostile. They were friendlier than a lot of the Free Software community on Mastodon and didn't even link to harassment content. They burned themselves out and stopped on their own so they're still not blocked.

> It's often possible to get through to people who are initially hostile

If there is a hint of the person actually reading your messages, then yeah, I'd agree in many cases. But read the messages this person posted, it is clear after just a couple of messages that they're not responding to anything @GrapheneOS actually wrote, they're spewing nonsense into the ether.

Personally, I don't think it's worth trying to save everybody, focus on people who are actually willing to listen, and have a conversation instead.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

#97
post #62

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If they consider the country is making laws they can't accept, then the honourable thing is to no longer allow participation within that country.

Why would they want to stop French citizens from using their creation?

Because they would be violating the laws of another country. The fastest way to prevent this is to prevent access from France. The same way it is being done with the UK.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

#98
post #92
post #19

This hostility towards privacy all over the world signals that there is a co-ordinated change happening in the world. Unfortunately we still don't know what it is or what its goals are.

Don't fall into this reductionist thinking, there is no secret cabal behind it. It's not even coordinated. This wave of authoritarianism is simply the result of well-funded right-wing populists taking advantage of an economically tough situation for the masses, after decades of neoliberalist austerity and deregulation. They're using fear and hate to further the goals of their wealthy patrons: deregulating the economy…

the well-funded part suggests a coordinated cabal

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

#99
post #85

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The honourable thing? More importantly this is the smart choice, the only thing, to do: Shake the dust from your sandals, walk away, don't look back. This is the ongoing horror of the overbearing state, which wants to rule efficiently by knowing everything that everybody is doing all the time. Those who focus on and value law enforcement before freedom.

> This What? What is the French state doing in this case?

Owners of those newspapers are or were politicians. I would call that a politically motivated action against GrapheneOS.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

#100
post #99
post #85

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> This What? What is the French state doing in this case?

Owners of those newspapers are or were politicians. I would call that a politically motivated action against GrapheneOS.

That doesn't follow: It's not their only motivation, nor are the author and editor drones who follow this one motivation.

People can write politically motivated things on HN too. That is very different than a law enforcement action of the government.

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