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Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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These things had around 25kWh battery packs with 140 miles of range. I think 200 miles is on the low end of what they could achieve with LFP chemistry. I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries.

I hear Aptera is still in the running, still building out their factory for full production. A little 3 wheeled 2 seater available with 250mi to 1000mi batteries. Reminds me of the old first gen Honda insight, unabashedly futuristic.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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These things had around 25kWh battery packs with 140 miles of range. I think 200 miles is on the low end of what they could achieve with LFP chemistry. I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries.

I can see why that wasn't sufficient for the US with your commute distances but that probably would have sold well outside the US if they tried.

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Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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These things had around 25kWh battery packs with 140 miles of range. I think 200 miles is on the low end of what they could achieve with LFP chemistry. I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries.

> I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries.

Or the first-gen Honda Insight.

Take a look at those, and the Citroën CX from 25 years earlier. The CX is what a four-door Insight would have looked like.

For me, it's the faired-in rear wheels and narrower track that does it. Instantly futuristic.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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What are the obstacles to making GM EV1 replicas, albeit with modern batteries? The design still has merit and would undoubtedly be long range with the lead acid batteries swapped out for something new. You can get businesses making replicas in small numbers, for example, I am sure you could get a Lancia Stratos, however, would GM have a big copyright ban on such a venture?

Traditionally, lack of demand and the fact that GM was fastidious about keeping them off the road means that they would probably threaten a lawsuit. Electric cars in general have only become popular in the last 5-10 years; the lore of the EV1 has grown accordingly. Copyright law for art and sculpture requires registration of each design; in searching the copyright records it appears that GM doesn't do this. Really th…

I don't think that copyright would apply because the EV1 design largely serves a functional purpose, and design patent infringement would face an uphill battle for the same reasons. For copyright of a "useful article" the functional aspects of the design cannot be protected, only the artistic ("separability"). For design patents, elements of the design that are dictated by function cannot be protected (N.B., there is some nuance there for alternative designs). The strongest exposure for EV1 replicas is probably trade dress, and the iconic design ("secondary meaning") of the EV1 should strengthen those claims.

Also, trademarks do not need to be registered to be enforced, although it is wise to register them.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Impound/tow/lien -> title has always been the easy button for getting legit title to a vehicle that was never supposed to be sold (UPS vans, Uhaul trailers, etc), so long as it was never reported stolen. Absolutely hilarious that he managed to work the "doesn't work it if pops up as stolen" angle in the opposite direction to make the car impossible to really do anything with (i.e. no junkyard can take it whole, no su…

Could you do anything like that to trick the DMV into letting you register a BYD vehicle in California?

A kludge would be to move to Tijuana in Mexico and buy and register a BYD there. You can drive it in the US when you visit from Mexico. There are various common US retailers not far from the border, and San Diego is only about 20 miles away.

The border crossing there is very busy so that could be a annoying.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Impound/tow/lien -> title has always been the easy button for getting legit title to a vehicle that was never supposed to be sold (UPS vans, Uhaul trailers, etc), so long as it was never reported stolen. Absolutely hilarious that he managed to work the "doesn't work it if pops up as stolen" angle in the opposite direction to make the car impossible to really do anything with (i.e. no junkyard can take it whole, no su…

Could you do anything like that to trick the DMV into letting you register a BYD vehicle in California?

I live somewhere with BYD vehicles everywhere. You aren't missing anything.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Could you do anything like that to trick the DMV into letting you register a BYD vehicle in California?

A kludge would be to move to Tijuana in Mexico and buy and register a BYD there. You can drive it in the US when you visit from Mexico. There are various common US retailers not far from the border, and San Diego is only about 20 miles away. The border crossing there is very busy so that could be a annoying.

What's the time limit for driving a foreign vehicle in the USA without registering it? I think it was 6 months in the UK -- I imported an RX-7 and drove it around with the original plates on it that whole time.
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