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Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level
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Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level
#92Much like the current cookie banner shitshow, a "centrally configured" setting which "websites must respect" will accomplish nothing. There is no consent, informed or otherwise. Advertisers and their ilk are still hoovering up all the data they can, with or without cookies or consent. Locking up a few people who don't respect their users' privacy would be a much more effective way of achieving actual results. AFAIK n…
You can't lock people up if they're not doing anything illegal. The first step is to write a law making what they're doing illegal. Then if they keep doing it, you'll be able to lock them up.
Companies shipped illegal cookie banners that forced you to click every individual provider to opt-out.
No one went to jail: https://noyb.eu/en/where-did-all-reject-buttons-come
Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level
#93Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
False dichotomy. Correct question: Has legality hindered any of it? (Yes.)
Hindered, but not eliminated. It is not a panacea. As long as people are willing to flaunt laws, laws are not the ultimate solution. The main reason here is that your laws are regional. Someone operating outside the jurisdiction of said law feels not obligation to obey said law, nor feel fear of punishment of said law.
I don't recall anyone saying, ever, anywhere, that laws are a panacea. I don't think that means though that we should stop doing laws.
No... I like laws. They're nice, for the most part.
Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They no longer track you by (only) cookies- the GPDR made sure of that. Fingerprinting is the current standard and there’s no easy way to block that. Without consent, this is illegal, so if this is happening someone's gonna get sued and fined.
Don't hold your breath for that to happen though. Maybe in your grandkid's lifetime, but doubtful in yours.
> Don't hold your breath for that to happen though. Maybe in your grandkid's lifetime, but doubtful in yours.
This is already happening. Now, could enforcement be better? Of course, but it's trending in the right direction.
Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level
#96Much like the current cookie banner shitshow, a "centrally configured" setting which "websites must respect" will accomplish nothing. There is no consent, informed or otherwise. Advertisers and their ilk are still hoovering up all the data they can, with or without cookies or consent. Locking up a few people who don't respect their users' privacy would be a much more effective way of achieving actual results. AFAIK n…
> AFAIK no big adtech or data brokers have been punished in any way.
I mean, big tech has absolutely been punished under the GDPR, eg https://www.edpb.europa.eu/news/news/2023/12-billion-euro-fi...
Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can't lock people up if they're not doing anything illegal. The first step is to write a law making what they're doing illegal. Then if they keep doing it, you'll be able to lock them up.
Companies shipped illegal cookie banners that forced you to click every individual provider to opt-out. No one went to jail: https://noyb.eu/en/where-did-all-reject-buttons-come
Does the existing law say that if someone creates a cookie banner like that, then the person can be sent to jail?
If not, then the 1st step to jailing people is to change the law.
Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level
#98Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45667866 Personally, I find this a move in the wrong direction where hostile behavior by websites is normalized and hidden. Cookie banners show web site true colors. When someone asks me to share data with a thousand of "partners", I leave.
> Personally, I find this a move in the wrong direction where hostile behavior by websites is normalized and hidden. Cookie banners show web site true colors. When someone asks me to share data with a thousand of "partners", I leave. I kind of agree, but at the same time basically all websites are using some kind of tracking to know what kind of users visit, and I'm tired of clicking "allow all" just to read an artic…
> all websites are using some kind of tracking to know what kind of users visit
Server side analytics exists, its the ad optimization and feeding data brokers which is the reason. You can disable cookies for google analytics (storage none).
Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Companies shipped illegal cookie banners that forced you to click every individual provider to opt-out. No one went to jail: https://noyb.eu/en/where-did-all-reject-buttons-come
Does the existing law say that if someone creates a cookie banner like that, then the person can be sent to jail? If not, then the 1st step to jailing people is to change the law.
Oh. I fully agree.
The EU did find that IAB (behind one of the "industry standard banners") was liable for fines: https://www.euractiv.com/news/top-eu-court-finds-widely-empl... But unfortunately that was partly dismissed on procedural grounds and went nowhere: https://techgdpr.com/blog/data-protection-digest-19052025-di...