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Okta's NextJS-0auth troubles

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Re: Okta's NextJS-0auth troubles

#91

I think it is distasteful and disrespectful to call out an employee by name in this way, regardless of the merit of the rest of the OP's post.

(op here)

On the one hand, you're right, it is distasteful, I completely agree. On the other hand, GitHub and Google and the public domain internet isn't everybody's CV that they can pick and choose which of their actions are publicised, tailored towards only their successes.

Re: Okta's NextJS-0auth troubles

#92
post #44

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well, it was distasteful of to them to close op's pr and apply the same patch with improper attribution, and then use ai to respond when they were asked about it

I agree with the parent post that it's distasteful. There's no value in naming the employee. Whatever that employee did, if the company needed to figure out who it was, they can from the commit hashes, etc. But there's no value in the public knowing the employee's name. Remember that if someone Googles this person for a newer job, it might show up. This is the sort of stuff that can disproportionately harm that perso…

Why would the company need to figure it out from commit hashes? It's all public, in public GitHub repositories, with the person's personal GitHub account: https://github.com/auth0/nextjs-auth0/pull/2381

Re: Okta's NextJS-0auth troubles

#93
post #2

You're either free OSS that gets flooded with AI slop PRs to overwhelm maintainers or you're a corporate OSS that uses AI slop to frustrate contributors. Are there any positive stories I've not seen?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45449348

Same author, even!;)

Re: Okta's NextJS-0auth troubles

#94
post #60

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> Remember that if someone Googles this person for a newer job, it might show up. Not to sound too harsh, but this is a person who rudely let AI perform a task badly which should have been handled by just… merging/rebasing the PR after confirming it does what it should do, then couldn't be bothered to reply and instead let the robot handle it, and then refused to fix the mess they made (making the apology void). That…

What if it's some junior given a job beyond their abilities, and struggling manfully using whatever tools they have to hand. Is it worth publicly trashing their name? What does their name really add to this article?

A good lesson. If you as an employer look at this history, and handle it in the interview appropriately (what did you learn / do better now for example) you can figure out if they did.

I'm sure lots won't, but if that is you as an employer you're worth nothing.

Re: Okta's NextJS-0auth troubles

#96

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Kind of funny that stalebots are the new "won't fix" methodology to ignore security issues with plausible deniability.

Yeah I got a kick out of that. "We might have fixed your issue, if we didn't, open a new one because we took so long acknowledging this one".

Or 3 years later: can you verify this is still needed.

Why on earth did I spend time in creating a reproducible example?

Re: Okta's NextJS-0auth troubles

#97

Okta is, if you may excuse my French, straight garbage.

And too bad for everyone who was using their former competitor Auth0.

I had a fairly fun time using Auth0 a few years back. The ability to run arbitrary code hooks at various points allowed us to do pretty interesting stuff in a managed way without resorting to writing or self-hosting something that was entirely flexible.

Re: Okta's NextJS-0auth troubles

#98

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> I was pretty appalled to see such a basic mistake from a security company, but then again it is Okta. Oh. Em. Gee. Is this a common take on Okta? The article and comments suggest...maybe? That is frightening considering how many customers depend on Okta and Auth0.

Yeah, I have the misfortune of inheriting a SaaS that built on auth0, and the whole stack is rather clownish. But they tick all the regulatory boxes, so we're probably stuck with them (until they suffer a newsworthy breach, at any rate...)

Okta and auth0 are, fundamentally, two distinct products – conceived, designed, and engineered by entirely separate entities.

auth0, as a product, distinguished itself with a modern, streamlined architecture and a commendable focus on developer experience. As an organisation, auth0 further cemented its reputation through the publication of a consistently high-calibre technical blog. Its content goes deeply into advanced subjects such as fine-grained API access control via OIDC scopes, RBAC, ABAC and LBAC models – a level of discourse rare amongst vendors in this space.

It was, therefore, something of a jolt – though in retrospect, not entirely unexpected – when Okta acquired auth0 in 2021. Whether this move was intended to subsume a superior product under the mediocrity of its own offering or to force a consolidation of the two remains speculative. As for the fate of the auth0 product itself, I must admit I am not in possession of definitive information – though history offers little comfort when innovation is placed under the heel of corporate, IPO driven strategy.

Re: Okta's NextJS-0auth troubles

#99

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We evaluated them a while ago but concluded it was amateur-hour all the way down. They seem to be one of those classic tech companies where 90% of resources go to sales/marketing, and engineering remains "minimum viable" hoping they get an exit before anyone notices.

I'm convinced Okta's entire business model is undercutting everyone with a worse product with worse engineering that checks more boxes on the feature page, knowing IT procurement people aren't technical and think more checkboxes means it's better.

"Enterprise Software" is what Tobi Lutke called that in a keynote once. A focus on hitting as many feature checkboxes as possible at the cost of quality.

Re: Okta's NextJS-0auth troubles

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was pretty appalled to see such a basic mistake from a security company, but then again it is Okta. Oh. Em. Gee. Is this a common take on Okta? The article and comments suggest...maybe? That is frightening considering how many customers depend on Okta and Auth0.

Among the reasons to leave my last job was a CISO and his minion who insisted spending $50k+ on Okta for their b2b customer and employee authentication was a bulletproof move. When I brought it up, they said they didn't have anyone smart enough to host an identity solution. They didn't have anyone smart enough to use Okta either. I had caught multiple dealbreakers-for-me such dubious / conflicting config settings res…

Keycloak is a great authentication suite, not that hard to configure and rock solid.

Ill never understand this thinking.

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