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Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by orlp »

hodgehog11 wrote: post #9
lordleft wrote: post #7

Bach is the greatest composer and perhaps the greatest artist in human history. Full stop. He is able to condense so much complexity into his works, and he speaks to the heart as equally as he speaks to the intellect. He is proof that the mind and the heart do not have to be at cross purposes, but can be wholly engaged together when stimulated by sublime works of art.

Do you have any particular pieces in mind when you wrote this? Bach is impressive, no doubt, but to each their own perhaps. I acknowledge that I have not received the appropriate training to fully appreciate the complexity in his works, so I wish I could hear what you do. To my ear, (and this isn't a novel opinion in the slightest), I think the Baroque era was more limited in expression due to the inherent limitation…

> Do you have any particular pieces in mind when you wrote this?

(not me, but...)

Bach - Passacaglia & Fugue in C minor, BWV 582

> But one wonders what he could have made without those constraints.

Bach-Busoni - Chaconne from Partita No. 2 in D minor, BWV 1004

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by erfgh »

reactordev wrote: post #54
cons0le wrote: post #51

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Nah Bach shits on Mozart. Mozart make extremely catchy music like Justin Beiber. I seriously do love mozart, but he merely wrote music. Bach weaved math into his music more than anyone before or after. His music sounds dense and more multi dimensional than mozart or saint saens. It really doesn't sound like he was trying to write beautiful music ( even though it is ) , it sounds like he was solving an equation and ju…

See, music isn’t just math, it’s feel. I guess that’s why I dislike him the way I do. It’s too robotic. Truth is, they were ALL Justin Bieber. It’s all pop music of the time.

Pop music also existed back then you know.

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by sudara »

maroonblazer wrote: post #78
Waterluvian wrote: post #76

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I would describe Prelude in C as having one of the highest “simplicity to depth” ratios of any piece I’ve played. I wonder if anyone else has any they’d suggest as being incredibly simple while also being incredibly deep. (I get this is pretty subjective but I think you know what I mean)

I picked up a collection of several hundred of his 4-part chorales. I like to flip through the pages and pick one seemingly at random and play it. While some hit me harder than others, nearly all of them express this "simplicity to depth" ratio. My latest favorite: Oh God, Hear My Sighs: https://soundcloud.com/nick66/oh-god-hear-my-sighs-bach

Love the chorales, thanks for sharing that one.

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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dust42 wrote: post #31

My absolute personal favourite is Toccata and Fugue played by organist Hans-André Stamm on the Trost-Organ of the Stadtkirche in Waltershausen [1]. Great videography, great organ and very expressive organist. From 3:28 on you can also see the foot work. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnuq9PXbywA&list=RDNnuq9PXby...

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Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by stavros »

lukan wrote: post #90
stavros wrote: post #86

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I have to say, I enjoyed "Nah Bach shits on Mozart" much more than I should have.

Is that because there is some more depth to the joke, that Mozart did this for real "when mozart was out touring europe getting drunk and shitting on women" - "shit on women"? So Bach metaphorically shits on Mozart for being the greater composer who was in it for the music and now gets more fame? Because I was rather appalled by that language, but maybe lack background context.

I really want that to be the case, so I'm just retconning it.

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by spectralista »

PotatoPancakes wrote: post #28
hodgehog11 wrote: post #9

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Do you have any particular pieces in mind when you wrote this? Bach is impressive, no doubt, but to each their own perhaps. I acknowledge that I have not received the appropriate training to fully appreciate the complexity in his works, so I wish I could hear what you do. To my ear, (and this isn't a novel opinion in the slightest), I think the Baroque era was more limited in expression due to the inherent limitation…

Bach's most approachable music might be his cello suites. But also, I think there are two camps of fans of "classical music" (by which I mean music in the styles: Baroque, Classical, Romantic, Impressionist, etc). There are those who listen to the music, and those who play it. For the most part, those who only listen to music often prefer Romantic and Impressionist styles. From the moody and dramatic to the gentle an…

I think Bach's lute music is the most approachable because it sounds the most modern like guitar music. Even though the baroque lute is an alien instrument visually to the average person today, the sound is closer to what people have grown up on.

The whole question though is like what is the best David Bowie album to start with multiplied by 100.

The catalog is just so immense, the sounds are just so varied that one person's favorite might completely be wrong for someone else.

I think the most relatable after thinking about it more is Stephanie Jones playing lute music on classical guitar.

Like BWV 1006a on guitar is the closest thing I can think of to modern pop music and Stephanie's virtuosity is just ridiculous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyySAFA2En8

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by bombcar »

tzs wrote: post #82
cons0le wrote: post #66

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Ahh yes, so robotic https://youtu.be/_1xJoVzoIQg?list=RD_1xJoVzoIQg Also they were not all justin beiber. Bach was a working church musician when mozart was out touring europe getting drunk and shitting on women. Only one of them was in it for the fame. In fact you could say that mozart and liszt were 2 of the first "pop stars" because that archetype didn't exist before them. There was basically no "beatlesmania" ove…

> Bach was a working church musician when mozart was out touring europe getting drunk and shitting on women Bach died 6 years before Mozart was born.

He was still working!!

He was just decomposing instead of composing.

(Old sixth grade camp joke)

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by bombcar »

inglor_cz wrote: post #65
lo_zamoyski wrote: post #30

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I presume you know Zelenka as well, a contemporary of Bach's (both knew each other and respected each other as composers).

Jan Dismas Zelenka wrote for the Saxon king, and many of his works were never released as a result. Then, they burnt to ashes in 1945. The only extant copies were caught in the bombing of Dresden. We tend to think of "lost works" as something that happened in Antiquity. Nope.

The number of silent movies that are lost forever is huge - but even “talkies” are lost, too.

Media is very fragile.

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by bombcar »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #16
hodgehog11 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any particular pieces in mind when you wrote this? Bach is impressive, no doubt, but to each their own perhaps. I acknowledge that I have not received the appropriate training to fully appreciate the complexity in his works, so I wish I could hear what you do. To my ear, (and this isn't a novel opinion in the slightest), I think the Baroque era was more limited in expression due to the inherent limitation…

This is only scratching the surface but I will present one of his most famous pieces to people who might ask why something like this is said. Keep in mind this was written 300 years ago. That's 300. fucking. years. ago . Think about how dated something from the 80s might sound. How modern does this sound? How completely universal is it's beauty? To me, this could have been written today and still sound fresh and beau…

Bach is still found even in modern music - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2puubv2e0L4

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by spectralista »

hearsathought wrote: post #18
lordleft wrote: post #7

Bach is the greatest composer and perhaps the greatest artist in human history. Full stop. He is able to condense so much complexity into his works, and he speaks to the heart as equally as he speaks to the intellect. He is proof that the mind and the heart do not have to be at cross purposes, but can be wholly engaged together when stimulated by sublime works of art.

> Bach is the greatest composer and perhaps the greatest artist in human history. Full stop. He's aight. Obviously you enjoy his music and that's fine. But have you experienced all the art from all cultures through all human history to make such authorative statements on such subjective matters?

I am not even the biggest Bach fan but it is hard to think of a more towering figure in any artistic medium.

I suspect you don't understand music enough to understand the immensity of Bach's work and influence.

Maybe if Picasso had been born 200 years earlier he could have influenced painting in the same way.

The fact you don't give a counter example kind of shows your hand that you don't know much about this subject beyond your surface level understanding of critical theory.

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