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Childhood Friends, Not Moms, Shape Attachment Styles Most

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Re: Childhood Friends, Not Moms, Shape Attachment Styles Most

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My own anecdotal experience matches this. I have a (now adult) child who was diagnosed with Reactive Attachment Disorder. She changed friends every 6 months, burning bridges behind her. She also cultivated the least-healthy friendships possible in whatever environment she found herself in.

How is she doing now?

Pretty well, all things considered.

Re: Childhood Friends, Not Moms, Shape Attachment Styles Most

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One study doesn’t definitively prove anything, but this is a 30 year longitudinal analysis with 700 participants. It’s way bigger than a typical study

The study itself doesn't say anything of the sort that the article title and this thread title do. I gaurantee you that if you polled any number of therapists what people's hangups are about it would be more likely to be the parents. Everyone I know is an inheritor of some significant amount of their family's generational trauma.

Tiny anecdote - it was only after being a parent for a decade or so that, when doing family history, I realised that my dad's parenting style -- which influenced my own so much -- was affected by being essentially fatherless; he had no direct model to base his own parenting on. WWII affecting children's upbringing ~70 years later.

I think he did a great job when I was younger, but we haven't maintained a strong bond as adults (which is my fault as much as anything); something I want to try and change with my own children.

Re: Childhood Friends, Not Moms, Shape Attachment Styles Most

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One study doesn’t definitively prove anything, but this is a 30 year longitudinal analysis with 700 participants. It’s way bigger than a typical study

The study itself doesn't say anything of the sort that the article title and this thread title do. I gaurantee you that if you polled any number of therapists what people's hangups are about it would be more likely to be the parents. Everyone I know is an inheritor of some significant amount of their family's generational trauma.

I could see childhood friends mattering a lot precisely because it's the thing that can save you from the problems with your parents.

Bad parents but good early friendships=turn out ok=don't show up in the data. Bad parents and bad early friendships = have it rough, show up in the data. The parents are the cause but the correlation to early friendships is even stronger because of the mediating effect.

Re: Childhood Friends, Not Moms, Shape Attachment Styles Most

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My first reaction was to refute this, but I think I've convinced myself this may be correct, assuming attachment styles are the right frame. I've been painted with the Avoidant brush, and logically it makes sense, broken home, removed from mother, moved regularly changing schools once a year for 5 years. However, my siblings are the opposite. We come from the same house, they didn't change schools as often as I did,…

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Re: Childhood Friends, Not Moms, Shape Attachment Styles Most

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The science on parental influence is well documented. This research may be onto something new - an additional layer of influence. But the personality begins to be formed by extrinsic influences within months of being born. Which is to say, it precedes the stage at which you have the ability to make friends.

The relevant research is called "The Strange Situation" by Beebe. The research spanned decades with the same subjects. The universal predictor of adulthood outcomes (relationships, lifestyle, income, drug use, etc) was whether the mother was attentive and capable of attuning to the child.

Re: Childhood Friends, Not Moms, Shape Attachment Styles Most

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The science on parental influence is well documented. This research may be onto something new - an additional layer of influence. But the personality begins to be formed by extrinsic influences within months of being born. Which is to say, it precedes the stage at which you have the ability to make friends. The relevant research is called "The Strange Situation" by Beebe. The research spanned decades with the same su…

Obviously it's the sum of all training data, so comes from the available sources. Typically that would mostly be the mother but it depends.

Re: Childhood Friends, Not Moms, Shape Attachment Styles Most

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The science on parental influence is well documented. This research may be onto something new - an additional layer of influence. But the personality begins to be formed by extrinsic influences within months of being born. Which is to say, it precedes the stage at which you have the ability to make friends. The relevant research is called "The Strange Situation" by Beebe. The research spanned decades with the same su…

Obviously it's the sum of all training data, so comes from the available sources. Typically that would mostly be the mother but it depends.

Incorrect assumption, we do not remain equally plastic / malleable in all domains across the entirety of our life. Attachment style crystallizes around 18 months. Trauma can re-open the issue later in life, but the personality builds in layers, with relationship to primary caretaker (usually mom) being a cornerstone.

Re: Childhood Friends, Not Moms, Shape Attachment Styles Most

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Wouldn't they, if you limited the study to the last 30 years during which mothers barely got to see their kids because of work? If you check 30 years from now it will be "Favorite Video Games and Internet Personalities, Not Childhood Friends, Shape Attachment Styles Most"

Re: Childhood Friends, Not Moms, Shape Attachment Styles Most

#100
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One study doesn’t definitively prove anything, but this is a 30 year longitudinal analysis with 700 participants. It’s way bigger than a typical study

The study itself doesn't say anything of the sort that the article title and this thread title do. I gaurantee you that if you polled any number of therapists what people's hangups are about it would be more likely to be the parents. Everyone I know is an inheritor of some significant amount of their family's generational trauma.

>if you polled any number of therapists what people's hangups are about it would be more likely to be the parents. Everyone I know is an inheritor of some significant amount of their family's generational trauma.

I completely agree.

The study looked at “individual differences in general attachment anxiety and avoidance in adulthood, as well as adults’ relationship-specific attachment orientations in each of their close relationships” - each quantified. Of course, the study isn’t about the source of trauma, but I don’t think you can quantify any of these things - the source of trauma, the source of anxiety, or the source of attachment styles.

Imagine you have a very frugal parent. Maybe that early influence makes you a big spender. Maybe it makes you cheap. Maybe you spend normally, but you’re always anxious about not having enough. The same goes for other parental influence, good or bad. How does something like that show up on a chart? You can’t quantify it and you can’t generalize it.

That said: I do think your early friendships and early relationships are full of useful hints. There are a lot of things caused by your parents that might be camouflaged (e.x. because the parents are older) that your own early friendships and relationships reveal.

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