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Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by jopsen »

markus_zhang wrote: post #73

I’m so sad to see this. For anyone who reads this, get a day, learn CPR, and buy that machine if your parents or whoever has history of heart issues. The machine doesn’t fix every kind of heart diseases but the trainer told me it decreases the possibility of death from a heart attack greatly. I recall that the possibility is lowered by 50% if you do CPR and 80% with the machine. It is not hard to use the machine as i…

This was the first heart attack.

Sometimes lightening strikes, you have bad luck. And there is no guarantee that getting to the hospital faster would changes the outcome.

But taking the car is decidedly a decent option of the hospital is only 15 mins away.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by mckn1ght »

mgh2 wrote: post #39
nrhrjrjrjtntbt wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking this the other day about GP. If I work in tech I work in a team and we pair. Why doesnt this happen with doctors. Why is everything all on one mind to get wrong or right. Yes there is a team of doctors sometimes but they communicate via emails async and you visit one then the next and so on. I guess I know the answer. Money.

Short supply, high demand

And imagine if we had the same requirements to write software as we do to perform surgery! Things would be very different.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by gryfft »

croes wrote: post #24
gryfft wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See also the Milgram Experiment.

Doesn’t fit here because you don’t know if obeying or ignoring causes the harm.

The comment I replied to mentioned Cialdini's Influence:

> just finished a disturbing section about how we are wired to obey an authority figure even when it causes harm.

I mentioned the Milgram Experiment specifically in the context of this comment.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by fsckboy »

Magi604 wrote: post #66

This is a very tragic story and my heart goes out to the family. It's one I've seen a few times now and hear about on a very regular basis from my coworkers. I am a Canadian Paramedic (EMR soon to be PCP in a few months, roughly equivalent to EMT and AEMT respectively). Some things strike out at me: - Here in BC our calltakers can advise patients on some treatments. I'm sure if that were to happen here, they would ha…

>Fire crews here in BC are dispatched to severe medical incidents (like heart attacks) and most of the time can even beat ambulance crews to a scene

according to the blog post, the father was talking (said "be careful" about a left hand turn) and apparently ambulatory (collapsed on his way into the hospital), so perhaps it wasn't yet considered a severe medical incident yet.

in the post she was told by her mother that father was in the hospital and she could visit him in the morning. This was at 11:30pm, hours after the arrival at the hospital which was within an hour "after dinner"

seems to me the father's condition was not known to be that severe, and well after the "late" arrival at the hospital he was thought to be in good condition. (tho always possible the hospital staff was not keeping the mother informed)

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by manyturtles »

markus_zhang wrote: post #73

I’m so sad to see this. For anyone who reads this, get a day, learn CPR, and buy that machine if your parents or whoever has history of heart issues. The machine doesn’t fix every kind of heart diseases but the trainer told me it decreases the possibility of death from a heart attack greatly. I recall that the possibility is lowered by 50% if you do CPR and 80% with the machine. It is not hard to use the machine as i…

Alas the data doesn't agree: "Bystander-initiated CPR may increase [survival] odds to 10%"

From: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/05/29/1177914...

Referenced underlying study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20123673/

Absolutely worth training for and administering, but far from 100% success.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by gryfft »

mrcwinn wrote: post #28

There's another scenario where someone heads to the hospital and get stuck at a red light or behind and accident or you're speeding and kill someone. It's just hard to know sometimes which path to pick when you don't have a guaranteed outcome on either one. In any case, I'm sorry for your loss. My dad died too due to a heart attack, except he was alone.

This just doesn't seem like it takes probability into account. Getting someone to the hospital fast is almost always going to be better than waiting, and moving someone isn't usually inherently damaging if they don't have a spinal injury. In the context of a heart attack, it seems indisputable to me that it is better to drive if you have a safe and sober driver available.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

somenameforme wrote: post #49
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very conspiratorial thinking. Do you really think that in a high stress situation you’re going to make the best decisions? Do you really think health workers are all concerned about legalities first? Not moving a patient unless you explicitly know how is probably right the vast majority of the time. Sometimes that’s wrong, but how are you going to get the entire public to understand what the right situation i…

> Do you really think health workers are all concerned about legalities first? 100%. Legal issues are a huge deal in healthcare. This is a snippet from a study [1] on the topic, just to get an idea of the scale (which I think most do not realize at all): --- Each year during the study period, 7.4% of all physicians had a malpractice claim, with 1.6% having a claim leading to a payment (i.e., 78% of all claims did not…

My vent: I have very mild cerebral palsy- it affects my left hand and left foot slightly. But properly conditioned, I’ve run half marathons and ended up in the middle of the pack and I’ve been a gym rat and in above average shape all of my adult life.

That being said, anytime I’m looking on the web doing research, the first thing you find are lawyers looking to sue doctors. I absolutely hate that’s the first thing parents think about to blame doctors. Some times things just happen.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by mlrtime »

twodave wrote: post #83

I feel this, but in reverse. My son could be dead, but he’s not. He was born on the floor of a trailer park apartment, not breathing. His birth mother’s partner called 911, who dispatched an ambulance. All rescue units for his zone were already busy. An ambulance returning from the nearby hospital to another zone heard the call over the radio and happened to be passing by. The hospital was expecting a DOA, but the pa…

Amazing story, Thank you!
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