> These companies, ultimately, decide how Toy Story looks today.
LOL, what? Anyone with a Blu-Ray rip file and FFmpeg can decide how it looks to them.
The 'Toy Story' You Remember
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the entire premise of the article should be challenged. Not only is 35mm not meant to be canonical, but the 35mm scans the author presented are not what we saw, at least for Aladdin. I've watched Aladdin more than any as a child and the Blu-ray screenshot is much more familiar to me than the 35mm scan. Aladdin always had the velvia look. > Early home releases were based on those 35 mm versions. Here's the 35m…
Famously CRT TVs didn't show as much magenta so in the 90s home VHS releases compensated by cranking up the magenta so that it would be shown correctly on the TVs of the time. It was a documented practice at the time. So, yes the VHS is expected to have more magenta. Anecdotally, I remember watching Aladdin at the movie theatre when it came out and later on TV multiple times and the VHS you saw doesn't correspond to…
The author here is asserting that VHS were based on the 35mm scans, and that the oversaturation is a digital phenomena. Clearly, that's not true.
I can't challenge the vividness of your memory. That's all in our heads. I remember it one way, and you remember it another.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Famously CRT TVs didn't show as much magenta so in the 90s home VHS releases compensated by cranking up the magenta so that it would be shown correctly on the TVs of the time. It was a documented practice at the time. So, yes the VHS is expected to have more magenta. Anecdotally, I remember watching Aladdin at the movie theatre when it came out and later on TV multiple times and the VHS you saw doesn't correspond to…
The author here is asserting that VHS were based on the 35mm scans, and that the oversaturation is a digital phenomena. Clearly, that's not true. I can't challenge the vividness of your memory. That's all in our heads. I remember it one way, and you remember it another.
For sure, the author simplified things for the article. Anyway, in the case of VHS, they were indeed based on the 35mm scan but then had additional magenta added (as well as pan and scan to change the aspect ratio).
The author is not wrong that oversaturation is a source transfer phenomena (which will always be different unless special care is taken to compare with the source material).
On most TVs that magenta wouldn't have shown as much as the youtube video shows because TVs tended to have weaker magentas. Of course, it's not like TVs were that uniformly calibrated back then and there were variations between TVs. So depending on the TV you had, it might have ended up having too much magenta but that would have usually been with more expensive and more accurate TVs.
TLDR: Transfers are hard, any link in the chain can be not properly calibrated, historically some people in charge of transferring from one source to another compensated for perceived weak links in the chain.
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#94It reminds me also of the 24 FPS discussion, which is still the standard as far as I know for cinema, even though 48 or 60 FPS are pretty standard for series, The 24 FPS give it a more cinematic feeling.
https://www.vulture.com/2019/07/motion-smoothing-is-ruining-... https://www.filmindependent.org/blog/hacking-film-24-frames-...
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
The author here is asserting that VHS were based on the 35mm scans, and that the oversaturation is a digital phenomena. Clearly, that's not true. I can't challenge the vividness of your memory. That's all in our heads. I remember it one way, and you remember it another.
For sure, the author simplified things for the article. Anyway, in the case of VHS, they were indeed based on the 35mm scan but then had additional magenta added (as well as pan and scan to change the aspect ratio). The author is not wrong that oversaturation is a source transfer phenomena (which will always be different unless special care is taken to compare with the source material). On most TVs that magenta would…
The magenta thing is interesting. I learned something new. Reading the other comments, this is seems to be as much a tale of color calibration as much as anything.
Regarding my memory, it becomes shakier the more I think about it. I do remember the purples but me having watched the cartoon could have affected that.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Things like this are being preserved, you just have to sail the high seas.
You can’t trust corporations to respect or protect art. You can’t even buy or screen the original theatrical release of Star Wars. The only option is as you say. There are many more examples of the owners of IP altering it in subsequence editions/iterations. This still seems so insane to me that it’s not even for sale anywhere…
I don't understand why you're getting downvoted. So many beautiful things have been lost to perpetual IP, e.g. old games that could be easily ported by volunteers given source code, which can never be monetised again.
Sometimes people create things that surpass them, and I think it is totally fair for them to belong to humanity after the people that created them generated enough money for their efforts.
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#97It's a surprisingly common error where someone picks up an old 35mm print and assumes it is somehow canonical... Besides whatever the provenance of these prints are (this gets complicated) the reality is that these were also made to look at best as they could for typical movie theater projector systems in the 90s. These bulbs were hot and bright and there were many other considerations around what the final picture w…
> It's a surprisingly common error where someone picks up an old 35mm print and assumes it is somehow canonical Same applies for people buying modern vinyl records believing them to be more authentic than a CD or (god-forbid) online streaming. Everything comes from a digital master, and arguably the vinyl copy adds artefacts and colour to the sound that is not part of the original recording. Additionally, the vinyl i…
I don't know if this is still true, but I know that in the 2000s the vinyls usually were mastered better than the CDs. There even was a website comparing CD vs vinyl releases, where the person hosting it was lamenting this fact because objectively CDs have a much higher dynamic range than vinyls, although I can't find it now. CDs were a victim of the loudness war[0].
Allegedly, for a lot of music that is old enough the best version to get (if you have the kind of hifi system that can make use of it) is an early 80s CD release, because it sits in a sweet spot of predating the loudness war where producers actually using the dynamic range of the CD.
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#98Now there is the problem where many of my friends will take one look at a movie I started on the TV and say "ew, I don't like this movie, it's old" They don't realize they feel that way, viscerally, is because it's shot on film. How do I get people to watch film movies with me? They are far better anyway on average than many modern movies (from a storytelling, moviemaking pov, to say nothing about the picture quality…
Show them a Tarantino movie
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#99I call it the Newgrounds animation effect. Digital-to-digital always looked a bit unserious to me.
I’m sure many young people feel the exact opposite.
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#100The changes in the Aladdin and Lion King stills surely can’t be accidental side effects? The Aladdin shot especially looks like they deliberately shifted it to a different time of day. Could there have been a continuity reason?