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ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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It's basically the "No one gets fired for buying IBM" effect. Microsoft became the default. Everyone was familiar with it, and knew it would work.

People tend to underestimate the value of a solution that folks, especially less technical folks, are already trained on, comfortable with, and one that is known to work as expected.

This is exactly why Canva is handing out Afinity for free.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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That, and it's solid, well supported software most people are familiar with. From those doing the paperwork with Microsoft procurement for Dutch government I learned there have been legal disputes going on for years about what even constitutes "telemetry". That was a decade ago, and even then there was push to move away from Microsoft in the government. Toward open source, or even Oracle. I suppose that with the Dutc…

The main problem is that 365 is just far cheaper than the competitors for environments like this, maintaining and supporting an open source alternative would be an incredibly expensive undertaking.

Maintaining ans support sounds like an opportunity for some EU businesses to me.

Sweet gov contracts.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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After Microsoft left politics mess up with their customer base something like that was to be expected.

As soon as they stole control from their customers computers, "leaving politics mess up with their customer base" was inevitable.

Or rather, stealing control from their customers computers is already leaving politics mess up with the customers.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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I’d love to see pictures. I’d love to drop MS/Google docs for something I can control myself.

Have you tried LibreOffice ( https://www.libreoffice.org/ ) or OnlyOffice ( https://www.onlyoffice.com/desktop )? Both are pretty decent, and free, and also have commercial versions.

I’m looking for more of a sharing experience. If I’m doing something locally myself I tend to use Mac pages, numbers or keynote. They’re underrated I think as local apps go. Getting a whole company on Mac just to use them is a non-starter though.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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>Microsoft admits in French court it can't keep EU data safe from US authorities Snowden leaked that fact before Microsoft made the admission. But it's good that it's coming from them officially nonetheless.

It kind felt like the ramifications of Snowden's leak were so wast that everyone just chose to forget about it.

There's definitely a political game of pretending that the US clouds are somehow compatible with GDPR.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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The main problem is that 365 is just far cheaper than the competitors for environments like this, maintaining and supporting an open source alternative would be an incredibly expensive undertaking.

Maintaining ans support sounds like an opportunity for some EU businesses to me. Sweet gov contracts.

In theory, yes, it could be...

But these are "European Tenders", which in practice usually translates to: race-to-the-bottom. Unless the tender was phrased specifically, from its very first inception, to aim at some polical goal - like open source, sovereignty, innovation, inclusiveness, etc.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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I think the bigger question is why they were using microsoft products in the first place. USA has been very hostile to the ICC under trump, but its not exactly a huge shift, bush was also incredibly hostile. It seems borderline incompetent to use a microsoft cloud offering given the political situation. Not to mention given the type of work they do, seems like hosting stuff off site at all is a bad plan.

It's basically the "No one gets fired for buying IBM" effect. Microsoft became the default. Everyone was familiar with it, and knew it would work.

That's a very simplistic view of what Microsoft offers. They don't sell an office software package but a very robust solution for running the software side of a business.

The OS, office package, email (server and client), calendar, cloud & backup, BI, etc. all aligned work almost seamlessly with each other (compared to the alternatives for sure).

Nothing on the market comes close and that is the reason they are worth trillions, not because they use closed formats.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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ditches is a strong word here, we change software providers for different tooling all the time

dependency on american corps is a bit weird, when they wont move away from windows just for one presendential term surely? trump will be out in X years. whats the point?

some of these organisations are now more politically aligned than ever questioning their neutrality

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